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RE: Science + Creation
June 5, 2012 at 10:45 am
(June 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm)Drich Wrote: Evolved man or "monkey man" is man without a soul, and In the Garden Man created in the image of God, would be man with a soul. That would leave room for whole complete fossil record that could not biblically be reconciled. It also explains the city Cain moved to and the wives and husbands the children of Adam and Eve took for themselves. (They intermingled with monkey man/woman and pass their gift onto their children.)
What an incredible pile of hooey! And your evidence that ANY of this is true is.....?
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RE: Science + Creation
June 5, 2012 at 10:53 am
All of this "6 days" actually means some other measure of time is pure bonk as there is no evidence that the early bronze age writers of Genesis understood the concept of the day in a form other than what everyone else living in the region at the time understood it to be. They well understood the rising and setting of the sun, and measured time mostly by measuring the rising and setting of the sun. Since it has change little, if any in the intervening millenia since Genesis was written, there is no reason to assume that 6 days means anything other than 6 DAYS!
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RE: Science + Creation
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RE: Science + Creation
June 7, 2012 at 12:13 am
Most Christians already know that the Creation story of Genesis is allegorical, because no humans can witness the creation of the universe either way, and the days follow a very structured/symbolic pattern. Also there are 2 creation stories. So.... 
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RE: Science + Creation
June 7, 2012 at 12:28 am
(June 7, 2012 at 12:13 am)Aiza Wrote: Most Christians already know that the Creation story of Genesis is allegorical, because no humans can witness the creation of the universe either way, and the days follow a very structured/symbolic pattern. Also there are 2 creation stories. So....
I keep telling my friends that Moses wasn't there on a sofa watching it all happen before him, but that obvious fact just gets ignored...
Maybe I'll reassure them that Moses wasn't the first one to pen down the contents of Genesis, but instead he got the account from Adam himself...........
Quote:The biggest misunderstanding among Bible scholars today, is that Moses wrote the book of Genesis. If we look at the entire Bible, you will notice that all of it has been written by eyewitness accounts. Many assume that the book of Genesis was made up of oral traditions. Just a bunch of stories passed on from one generation to the next, or that Moses borrowed from the pagans, the stories of Noah, and creation, and then wrote his own version in the Hebrew Bible. Is the Hebrew Bible a borrowed version of the pagan versions of the flood and creation, or is it the other way around? Is the book of Genesis the ORIGINAL DOCUMENT, and as time when on, and the populations grew, and as man moved away from the center knowledge, the creation accounts got all corrupted, hence we have the pagan accounts of creation from the Babylonians, etc.. and the original document was the book of Genesis?
The views are starting to change believe it or not. Many people are starting to realize that Moses DID NOT plagiarize these accounts of creation, and the flood. In stead there is evidence that Moses took the earlier documents of Adam, Noah, Abraham Enoch Isaac, and Jacob, these documents that were passed on from one generation to the next, and put them together into one book called the BOOK OF GENESIS!
After many excavations in the Middle East, archaeologists have found Ancient writings called "cuneiform" writings that date back all the way to 3500 B.C. Adam was still alive at that time, and so writing could have gone back even farther. So Adam could have composed his EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN!
http://www.british-israel.ca/Genesis.htm
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RE: Science + Creation
June 7, 2012 at 9:21 am
(June 7, 2012 at 12:13 am)Aiza Wrote: Most Christians already know that the Creation story of Genesis is allegorical, because no humans can witness the creation of the universe either way, and the days follow a very structured/symbolic pattern. Also there are 2 creation stories. So....
Ah, but of course: The "allegory here, literal fact there" shuffle. If it only came with an Ovaltine decoder ring ...
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RE: Science + Creation
June 7, 2012 at 9:47 am
(June 5, 2012 at 10:33 am)Drich Wrote: Or you can simply read the body of post number 11, which resolves the issues you listed here.
You're clearly using a definition for "resolved" that defies the meaning of the word. If you ever "resolve" the issues between genesis (or any creation myth from any culture) and factual reality do the world a favor, don't post it here. Post it somewhere meaningful where your momentous discovery gets the recognition it deserves.
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RE: Science + Creation
June 7, 2012 at 10:55 am
Thor Wrote:What an incredible pile of hooey! And your evidence that ANY of this is true is.....?
Oooh...Thor, you do not want to go down that road.
Look at this thread starting with this post, and see how fruitful that endeavor was.
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RE: Science + Creation
June 7, 2012 at 11:39 am
(June 7, 2012 at 9:21 am)Epimethean Wrote: Ah, but of course: The "allegory here, literal fact there" shuffle. If it only came with an Ovaltine decoder ring ...
It comes with something FAR better, Epimethean!
It comes with a Holy Magisterium. 
That being said, its not hard just from a literary standpoint to understand the differences between allegory and something meant to be taken as historical.
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Grand us the shield of your sovereign protection,
Measure your aid by the depth of our need.
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Bend to this earth which your footsteps have trod;
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RE: Science + Creation
June 7, 2012 at 11:42 am
If we can be honest enough to treat the bible solely as a piece of literature, I might agree with you, but the flock will be a-bleating rather soon then, methinks.
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