Science + Creation

[Aiza]

To show that your beliefs have been "kept on track" you'd have to demonstrate that such a track exists in the first place, which I'm guessing that you wont/can't. Don't tell me you can "certainly demonstrate it", do so. I have an aversion to platitudes, you seem to think your statements mean something when they clearly don't. If the longevity and integrity of any given thing is a testament to it's being "on track" then my rocks are superior to your "rock". Since we were playing word games I figured I'd show you how it's done.

In Christianity, there is absolutely a "track", and it is the Marks of the Church, contained within the Nicene Creed and the oldest Tradition and Scripture held in common by all Christians. Age is not a "testament" its the connection to the Apostles, which should be obvious enough. Geez.

Your willful misunderstanding and equivocation with respect to the phrase 'on track' can only get you so far, Rhythm, and it certainly doesn't make a good argument. Anyone can be "on track":
"Proceeding as planned, as expected, or in a manner consistent with an established pattern"

What part of that do you not understand, Rhythm? Are you trying to deny that the Catholic Church has established beliefs? Reaally?

And I have no idea what forgery you are talking about. Like I said there is zero credible evidence or even real academic theories posited that assert Matthew 16::18 is a "forgery",and I am not doing your homework for you either.

[The Grand Nudger]

Less claiming, more demonstrating. Perhaps the Protestants are "on the right track" and you are hopelessly mistaken? Should I post the lmgtfy or are you willing to just back away from your claim about a lack of evidence regarding the passage in question?

No, wait..wait, "credible" or "academic" are being redifined in context aren't they, you mean there isn't any evidence you personally believe to be credible or academic...don't you? Word games, and bullshit. The Petrine theory is not only questioned (in detail) by those who do not believe, but also by those who do..you know..Protestants. Tell you what, find me evidence of the papacy from, lets say..the first 400 years of christianity?

[Angrboda]

What a load of horse swallop.

The Sunni's and Shia make the same ignorant noises about "tradition" and "tracks" and the only practical result is people blowing themselves and innocent children to bits, and flying planes into buildings. Or maybe Azrael would like to lecture us on the tradition of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and the Twelvers, and how they're on "the right track".

(And why do I suspect that Azrael, despite the female avatar, is likely a balding middle aged apologist?)


"Tradition is the illusion of permanance."
— Woody Allen

[Aiza]

[Angrboda]

I'm guessing

There. I fixed that for you.


Btw, you didn't clarify whether you are or are not female. Perhaps you're a balding twenty-something.

And it wasn't an attempt at ad hominem, just an expression of distrust. The real ad hominem was referring to you as Azrael in the first place. D'oh!

In Jewish mysticism, he is commonly referred to as "Azriel," not "Azrael," and is sometimes identified as the embodiment of evil

I guess there's no accounting for taste. Thanks for more (pseudo)history, Azazel.

(ETA: Maybe St. Theresa is appropriate for you after all...)

[The Grand Nudger]

[downbeatplumb]

[The Grand Nudger]

You know it occurred to me that there is a simpler way to explain precisely why this Pope business is garbage.

Proposing that there has always been a pope (always in this extent referring to christianity, of course)is directly analogous to proposing that the academic field of particle physics has existed ever since the first caveman rubbed two sticks together. That somehow, because some thing that would eventually become particle physics existed that particle physics itself existed since then. The same is also true of this Peter the Pope nonsense, if, of course, there was actually a Peter to begin with.....

[Epimethean]

The only solid rock of the church is the massive weight of its dogma. The pompous nature of Catholics in proclaiming themselves to be original makes them even better targets for Mithraic mockery.

[Aiza]