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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 8, 2012 at 9:25 am
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Genks theoretical god is preparing an insanity defense. Slippery fucker. The prosecution would remind the jury that god was of clear enough mind to design all things in existence to their "exacting specs". The prosecution would remind the jury that god always preceded his violence with proclamations of precisely what violence he was about to inflict -clear evidence of malice aforethought. The prosecution would remind the jury that documented instances of temporary insanity are so rare that any given instance of temporary insanity mounted as a defense against such heinous crimes is incredibly improbable but very convenient for the defendant. That the defendant has a history of level-headednes and a clear ability to plan his crimes would suggest that if the defendant did suffer from temporary insanity at some point it was most likely not while he was planning or executing his crimes. In either case the defendant presents a clear danger to all living things it comes into contact with and as such should not be allowed to remain free to roam about with impunity amongst it's fellow beings. Incarcerated or committed.
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 2:38 am
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(June 8, 2012 at 9:22 am)Thor Wrote: Abandoning your children and allowing them to starve IS a criminal act.
Not always and not if the said child is capable of taking care of itself.
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 2:54 am
(June 8, 2012 at 3:54 am)genkaus Wrote: Dude, chill. The answer to your last question is detailed in your little rant there. A deistic god does not assert any authority over us, he does not judge us and he does not interfere with our lives. Thus he cannot be brought up on criminal charges. Just because what I said was devastating, doesn't make it a rant. I just went through it every way it could be said; God has no basis for his authority, and if he has any, then he also has a responsibility.
(June 8, 2012 at 3:54 am)genkaus Wrote: Ofcourse, his defense counsel can make an argument that any exercise of authority is a result of an implicit consent to exercise authority given by theist, but that would mean that atheists and other non-believers would be outside the scope of that authority and there would be an additional burden to prove that god did exert his authority over them. OK that was just rambling. I have no idea what any of that is about.
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 8:13 pm
(June 9, 2012 at 2:38 am)genkaus Wrote: (June 8, 2012 at 9:22 am)Thor Wrote: Abandoning your children and allowing them to starve IS a criminal act.
Not always and not if the said child is capable of taking care of itself. What does being an adult have to do with the god claim?
EVEN as an adult, if you buy a defective product that injures you and you prove in a lawsuit court that the seller was neglectful you can win that lawsuit.
But what makes the god claim even worse, is not only were you not asked before you were born if you wanted to go on this ride. The maker of this ride did a shitty job, not only with the natural disasters, but disease and famine and war.
As we know, nature and evolution are the explanation as to why bad things can happen. But make no sense when someone postulates a manufacturer who does a shitty job and then blames you for the factory it built and the defective products it didn't have to make.
Life is not perfect and never will be, it has both good and bad. But especially when you are talking about mere children, when anyone asserts a god when a child is dying of cancer, it makes me want to puke.
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 8:15 pm
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The deists god doesn't blame you for anything (if it even knows you're there). The deists god may not actually have the power to do anything about our starving or suffering (if it even recognizes that such things are occurring). It is not a personal god with an interest in you.
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 8:43 pm
(June 9, 2012 at 8:15 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The deists god doesn't blame you for anything (if it even knows you're there). The deists god may not actually have the power to do anything about our starving or suffering (if it even recognizes that such things are occurring). It is not a personal god with an interest in you.
That is just watered down woo. Personal or impersonal anyone claiming an invisible being is still claiming an invisible being.
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 8:48 pm
(June 9, 2012 at 8:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: (June 9, 2012 at 8:15 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The deists god doesn't blame you for anything (if it even knows you're there). The deists god may not actually have the power to do anything about our starving or suffering (if it even recognizes that such things are occurring). It is not a personal god with an interest in you.
That is just watered down woo. Personal or impersonal anyone claiming an invisible being is still claiming an invisible being.
So? Does them doing so harm you?
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 9:02 pm
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(June 9, 2012 at 8:48 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (June 9, 2012 at 8:43 pm)Brian37 Wrote: That is just watered down woo. Personal or impersonal anyone claiming an invisible being is still claiming an invisible being.
So? Does them doing so harm you?
Nice dodge. It isn't a matter of anyone's personal right via government to make any claim they want. Jefferson too was a deist, I valued what he set up for society, but that does not make his, or anyone's pet deity real. The issue is the ability to prove the credibility of what one claims, not their personal rights. I value their right to make any claim they want, but equally valuable is the ability to question.
When you start suggesting "what harm does it do", what you are doing is knowingly or unwittingly supporting the idea of a taboo statues to protect their insecurities.
Religion has done great harm to our species, any form of dogmatism does that, even political dogmatism can be as dangerous to a society as a religion.
The Dark Ages, witch hunts, 9/11/2001, slavery sexism and homophobia are all done under the guise of religion which has access and influence on governments. No one should suggest religion can be pragmatically outlawed, but the only way to make the changes to improve humanity and get away from those destructive behaviors, is the ability to question. If our species never questioned social norms our species never would have left the caves. We would still have theocracies in the west, still have slavery, and even still today religion promotes homophobia which needs to be questioned.
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Are you sure you know what deism is? Based on what you wrote above, I'd say no.
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RE: A list of all of God's crimes
June 9, 2012 at 9:50 pm
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(June 9, 2012 at 9:05 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Are you sure you know what deism is? Based on what you wrote above, I'd say no. Well, since you cant test it in a lab or get a patient on it, I'll relegate it to the woo section of what humanity makes up with no evidence.
There is no need to call nature god or treat it as if it has special qualities. Nature is a process, it is not a god so "Diesm" is nothing more than a step toward atheism and a step away from theism.
Look, the reason people slap that label on themselves is simple. It is nothing more than letting the "mystery of it all" and the "sense of awe" get to you. And also maybe a bit of fear of not having "something to believe in".
If you don't hold a belief in a god, skip the deism altogether. Just study nature and the universe without that label, you don't need it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deism
Quote:is a religious philosophy which holds that reason and observation of the natural world, without the need for organized religion, can determine that the universe is the product of an intelligent creator.
According to this, like I said, one is still postulating a thinking being in as a cause. The fact the people who slap this label on themselves and claim they don't need organized religion doesn't change that. Like I said, woo light.
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