Do you recognize that God gains pleasure in creating evil?

[Drich]

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There are only two choices God's expressed will or our own. To be outside of God's expressed will is sin, to intentionally or maliciously seek to be outside of God's will is evil.

I agree wit you. God gives us free will and the moment we use it, we are doomed to eternal purposeless torture.

And you follow such a S O B why?

Regards
DL

His party his rules. If we want to play then we will have to do it His way. In short I want to 'play.'

[The Grand Nudger]

Except that it isn't "his party" and you don't actually know "his rules" even if it were. Nice try though.

[Epimethean]

But it is a game and he loves to play at it.

[Greatest I am]

I agree wit you. God gives us free will and the moment we use it, we are doomed to eternal purposeless torture.

And you follow such a S O B why?

Regards
DL

His party his rules. If we want to play then we will have to do it His way. In short I want to 'play.'

I see that you do not deny his immorality or purposeless torture of souls.

Moral or not you will follow him eh. Hitler looked for people just like you.

Stockholm Syndrome is alive and well in you you pathetic immoral excuse for a man.

Regards
DL

[Ace Otana]

His party his rules. If we want to play then we will have to do it His way. In short I want to 'play.'

It's sick for a being to torture people but what's also sick is for someone to follow that sick and twisted being who tortures people.

[Thor]

[quote='Thor']And Muhammad rode a winged horse up to heaven. It's the 21st century and we still have mind numbed people insisting that mythology is true.

To use your favorite quote, prove your statement.

You tell us all this ridiculous crap about "Lucifer" which is nothing more than baseless assertions for which you have no evidence. Unless you can demonstrate the veracity of your statement it is perfectly reasonable to consider it mythology.

Nice try at shifting the burden of proof, but it doesn't work.

God will ultimately destroy him

Well, what the fuck is he waiting for? People like you have been promising this for thousands of years! I hope you realize your credibility is kind of shot.

No one has or can promise anything God has ordained, it will happen in His perfect timing.

Well, for all the people who have suffered throughout history, they would probably say that your deity's timing sucks. "Me and my entire family were killed by the Nazis. NOW you show up?!?! A lot of good you are!"

No, it was not part of God's plan, God's plan was implemented after Lucifer fell. God never wanted Lucifer to fall, Lucifer chose to, tell me why is this so hard for you to understand.

So, before "Lucifer" fell, this god didn't have a plan? He was flying by the seat of his pants? And this isn't hard to understand. What's hard to understand is why anyone actually believes this crap is true.

You don't even believe in Him, yet you say you can blame Him, and you call me deluded, now that is what I see as funny.

I was responding within the context of your post. No, I don't have any reason to believe your deity is real, but in the context of your post I would blame him because he knew what would happen and he did nothing.

it's Lucifer that you should blame.

Actually, I don't blame imaginary beings for anything. That would be like blaming Santa Claus because I didn't get what I wanted for Christmas.

In your previous statement you said, you blamed God, now you say you do not blame imaginary beings, does this mean you do believe in God , but not Lucifer, interesting to say the least.

Nice try at twisting my meaning.

Sorry, never met the guy.

You may not have, but you have met his minions, even though you may have never realized it.

Now you're just making shit up. Next thing I know, you'll be telling me I've met leprechauns, trolls, fairies and gnomes.

Through them you have encountered his deceitful influence and like all of us fell to it, so in the end we are to blame, as I said above.^

Yeah, sure. Please name one of these "minions". Good luck.

[Epimethean]

"It's the 21st century and we still have mind numbed people insisting that mythology is true."
This is GC's ultimate irony.

[Brian37]

so in the end we are to blame

This is such a fantastic sales pitch it makes me want to run to my local church this Sunday and join this utopia self loathing blood cult.

And completely still ignores the fact that their claimed super hero did NOT have to set the game up this way and could have set it up in a much more humane way as so that we would not be cruel to each other.

God would make a great guest on the Jerry Springer show. He'd be the redneck fat guy blaming the two toothless chicks for fighting over him.

[frankiej]

"It's the 21st century and we still have mind numbed people insisting that mythology is true."
This is GC's ultimate irony.

Yeah, I laughed unbelievably hard when I read it.

[Thor]

We have to repeat ourselves over and over because you do not listen to what is stated,

Oh, I listen to what is stated. And I can't fathom how any reasonably intelligent adult can believe it to be true.

you would rather be not sensible,

Says the guy who believes in talking snakes.

when you should study the scriptures and see if we're correct.

I should "study" ridiculous, unsubstantiated tales and see if you're correct? Actually, I HAVE studied these tales and I find that reality does not match up with them. There is no evidence for a global flood. There is no evidence for a virgin birth. There is no evidence the Tower of Babel existed. There is no evidence Jesus even existed! Based upon these realizations, I can only conclude your book is packed with crap that belongs in the fantasy section of Barnes and Noble.

Many atheists are more knowledgable of scripture than believers.

You know this how,

By reading Dan Barker, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and posters on this forum.

I would put the youth I taught up against you any day, and watch them take you apart.

Oh, please do! I'd love to come to your local brainwashing center and have a little discussion with the youngsters. Maybe I'd have a chance at turning them around before the crap you put in their heads can take root. My sister-in-law used to teach Babble instruction. I always thought that they should let me talk to the kiddies after she finished so we could have equal time.

How is it you think you know more about the truth of scriptures, when I've seen most of you, either be irresponsible or blatantly lie about the meaning of passages.

Oh, please! I've seen believers do backflips to make the Babble say what it obviously is not saying. I've pointed out where the Babble says you can own slaves and people like you insist it wasn't "real" slavery. Yeesh!

I do not care what any of you say, all the Christians on this site know you cherry pick and never and I mean never research the scriptures to find the truth within them.

"Cherry pick"? You mean like believers do when they read Babble verses in church? For some reason, I've never heard the following verse read in church:

"If two men fight together and the wife of one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of the one attacking him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the genitals, then you shall cut off her hand; your eye shall not pity her."
Deuteronomy 25:11-12

What a lovely passage! If you're walking down the street and a scumbag attacks you, and your wife tries to help you fight off the scumbag by grabbing his nutsack, you're supposed to cut off her hand! This is justice?

How can you have a sensible debate with someone who insists in the truthfulness of an ancient book that contains stories with talking animals, a virgin birth, people rising up from the dead, a man losing his strength because his hair was cut, etc, etc.....?

The same way we do with people who believe that life boiled out of a muddy soup,

I don't believe anyone has ever hypothesized that "life boiled out of a muddy soup". Straw man much?

man came from apes,

Actually, we have a common ancestor with gorillas, chimps, etc. There is <GASP!> evidence for this.

that dinosaurs are now birds

Birds descended from dinosaurs. Again, there is evidence for this.

and that matter has always existed without a shred of evidence,

And you insist your deity has always existed without a shred of evidence. Why is it so difficult to conclude that matter has always existed? Because you need to insert your creator into the equation?

that a big bang could over come all the gravity that existed, while said gravity was placed on all that matter. You expect me to believe such nonsence when light can not escape the small amount of gravity a black hole supposedly has, when it's gravity is only a small portion of that which supposedly was holding all that matter in such a small place.

This entire passage makes no sense to me.