Rant of logic: There is no such thing as a "Christian"

[Drich]

I've lifted the ban I placed on viewing your posts, Drich. Welcome back to the fold. I know, I know .. it is hard to believe your good fortune, right?

In short Christianity is a religious effort dedicated to Christ because of the sacerficed He made. Not because He laid out all of it's doctrine. (What do you think all of the books after the gospels were for?)

Hard to resist such a set up line .. NT as TP?

But seriously if anyone thinks Jesus' message was about transcendence and that following him was code for realizing god within, then the answer to your question becomes "to take control of what Jesus was selling, re-brand it as a post-death experience and set the terms and price of admission." On a cynical view, that is the purpose of all the books of the bible including the gospels.


Welcome back.

Actually the Synoptic gospels were a 4 wittness tesitmony to the Birth, life, ministry, Death, burial, and resurection of Christ. The Gospels collective purpose is to establish the Deity of Christ, His role as the Lamb of God, and ulitmate sacerfice for sin. "His teachings" Centered around what He was supposed to do and why. Subsequently His deciples were also taught what they need to start the Chruch. Again what was known as ' Christianity' did not start till Acts chapter 2 (After Christ returned to Heaven, and the Holy Spirit was poured out onto the Chruch.)

If anything the Chruch is modeled after the teaching of the Holy Spirit as witnessed through the works and words of men like Peter and Paul. Not as the direct teachings of Christ. Because again the bulk of Christ's works outlined the principles needed to establish His own Deity and comming sacerfice christ is responsiable for the paradyme shift from OT Judism to NT Christianity, and He did plant and push the new direction of the Church, but the day to day Religious Christianity was the work of the Apstoles, recorded in the books between Acts and Reveations.

With so many responses from you since my shunning It did even feel like I had gone.

[justthefactsplease]

This seems a little like those believers who twist the definition of atheism so they can prove that atheists don't exist. I understand your point and perhaps the argument could be made that those who identify as Christian aren't doing a very good job of following the (alleged) example of their man/god but to say they aren't "true" Christians takes it a bit too far. I'm all for calling out hypocrisy but I draw the line at telling someone else how they should identify.

[Godscreated]

We differ on things that in the end want amount to a hill of beans.

You think religous war, genocide, witch burnings, and child soldiers is the equivalent of a "hill of beans"?

I think or at least hope you would know better than that, then actually you may be.......... enough not to.

[Epimethean]

"If just one person outside of Jesus could have accomplished this God would not have sent Jesus to die."

He sure fucked up the first time around, didn't he? Then he had to kill off his own son to fix it.


LOL! Pure comedy gold.

[Godscreated]

[Epimethean]

"The real matter of a life with the eternal God is to receive His Son as one's savior and Lord."

There is no "real" matter in such. In fact, "real" and "matter" must of a necessity be divorced from the equation by means of the "F" word employed for that very purpose.

[Cato]

The real matter of a life with the eternal God is to receive His Son as one's savior and Lord. After that people see many things differently, if anyone sees that salvation comes any other way is in trouble. Simply believing is what it's about, so where does that leave you, somewhere below the psycho and crook, if we go by your words. Christians did not make this world this way we all did, yet you want Christians to take on the whole problem, where is your responsibility, should not all unbelievers share in this problem, it's you guys who claim to be so smart, why haven't you fixed it, you can't because you do not care if you did you would be knee deep in filth helping all those poor starving people, how much food do you toss out every year, how about the money you waste that could be given to those in need every year, spout your comments in the mirror before pointing at someone else.

1803 posts without providing a single shard of evidence for your god. Do you think your god would be proud of this severe lack of efficiency?

This is the equivalent of being an everyday starter on a major league baseball team and not getting a hit for three consecutive seasons!

[Zen Badger]

The real matter of a life with the eternal God is to receive His Son as one's savior and Lord. After that people see many things differently, if anyone sees that salvation comes any other way is in trouble. Simply believing is what it's about, so where does that leave you, somewhere below the psycho and crook, if we go by your words. Christians did not make this world this way we all did, yet you want Christians to take on the whole problem, where is your responsibility, should not all unbelievers share in this problem, it's you guys who claim to be so smart, why haven't you fixed it, you can't because you do not care if you did you would be knee deep in filth helping all those poor starving people, how much food do you toss out every year, how about the money you waste that could be given to those in need every year, spout your comments in the mirror before pointing at someone else.

Ahh, you mean christian works like this?



Yep, I can see where that is helping the poor.

[KichigaiNeko]

G-C...you seem nothing more than a petulant, ignorant and demanding two year old. The reason WHY the worlds troubles are not remedied is BECAUSE of religion and the elitist status it holds with world governments.

[Epimethean]

And while we're at it, GC, since your god was so arrogant as to suggest that, by sending his son to death, all sins would be forgiven, I think the advertising scheme went wrong, since you are now trying to foist the burden off his imaginary shoulders and onto those who do not believe the claptrap you try to peddle. What are the rest of us doing? Actual work, with an eye toward real results-NOT waiting for portents, watching for messages, praying to the air and asking for miracles. Science is at WORK-not on vacation, which is the only place religion ever spends time, and on borrowed money at that.