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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:22 am
(This post was last modified: July 6, 2012 at 9:25 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(July 6, 2012 at 9:11 am)CliveStaples Wrote: Right, but if you think God doesn't exist, and you kill people who think He does because you think religiosity is a disease that needs to be stamped out...isn't that motivated by an atheist belief?
I mean, if I'm a Christian, and I think I should kill you because you're blaspheming God, and that's wrong, isn't that the same as an atheist who thinks he should kill me because I believe in God, and that's wrong? bolding is mine
You did it again. See how you consistently go above and beyond the call of duty on this one? Yes, btw, both scenarios are idiotic. Now, people are killed for blasphemy aren't they? Care to point out a martyr for me?
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:23 am
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(July 6, 2012 at 9:20 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: (July 6, 2012 at 9:18 am)Ace Otana Wrote: Though incorrect. Theism is a belief system, A-theism is the lack of that belief system.
They ALWAYS get it wrong Ace, don't they?? 
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:23 am
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:25 am
(July 6, 2012 at 9:20 am)CliveStaples Wrote: (July 6, 2012 at 9:16 am)Zen Badger Wrote: And when has anyone committed atrocities in the name of atheism?
Come on, it can't be that hard to name one.
That's what we're arguing about: whether the examples I've proposed are "atrocities in the name of atheism".
They're not.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:25 am
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(July 6, 2012 at 9:18 am)Ace Otana Wrote: No. Atheism isn't a belief, it's a lack of. Atheism simply means without theism. If you kill people for having religious belief, it can be said you're anti-religion, anti-theist in the extreme. Atheism simply means one without belief in god.
So what would you call someone who has the belief, "No gods exist"? Are they not atheist?
Quote:Though incorrect. Theism is a belief system, A-theism is the lack of that belief system.
Theism isn't a belief system. Well, it could be, but almost nobody believes only theism. Christians, for example, have many more theological beliefs than merely "At least one god exists".
I don't think you took the time to think about what I meant when I said that Theism and Atheism are classes of belief systems. Think about what that would mean.
To my thinking, "Theism" is the class of belief systems which include the belief "At least one god exists". If a belief system does not include the belief "At least one god exists", then it belongs to the class Atheism.
Now, it seems to me that this is entirely consistent with your characterization of atheism as a 'lack of theism'. So I'm not sure why you made that particular objection.
(July 6, 2012 at 9:25 am)Ace Otana Wrote: They're not.
They are.
Boy, arguing here is super easy! You just get to say stuff, and then you don't have to support it or anything!
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:28 am
lol, Pot meet Kettle.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:33 am
Quote:So what would you call someone who has the belief, "No gods exist"? Are they not atheist?
Gnostic atheist.
Quote:Theism isn't a belief system.
Belief in a higher power, deity, creator, supreme being that governs all. Seems like a belief system to me.
Quote:To my thinking, "Theism" is the class of belief systems which include the belief "At least one god exists". If a belief system does not include the belief "At least one god exists", then it belongs to the class Atheism.
As longs as you're not suggesting that atheism is a belief system, world view and all that incorrect definitions we haven't got a problem.....
Quote:Boy, arguing here is super easy! You just get to say stuff, and then you don't have to support it or anything!
Yeah like you are now. Name a nasty event like murder and the sort caused by atheism. We've already pointed out Stalin's rein was all about control. He wouldn't of murdered countless atheists along with theists if he was only interested in removing religion. He's a dictator making sure he stays in power.
So, anything else? Corrupt communist dictators BTW tend to kill people (regardless of belief) to stay in power. Just a little heads up.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:34 am
You know what, I've just realized an easy way to get you on-board Clive, rehash all of your arguments excusing theism for this or that and just replace "theism" with "atheism", get it now?
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:34 am
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In the spirit of the thread: I hate how theists, when challenged about the atrocities committed under the banner of religion, by God or in his name, start accusing atheists of the same atrocities. Can a theist please cite one instance where even an atheist leader (Or anyone else, for that matter) specifically slaughtered people in the name of atheism? I'm not talking about the number of religious people killed, I'm talking about a clear agenda that was aimed at religious people only. Now, even if you can produce such a document, written in their own words, can you explain how it negates the actions of your brethren/god? Yes, people would still commit atrocities in the absence of religion, but let's take away the divine endorsement and incentive for them to justify it.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 9:38 am
(July 6, 2012 at 9:22 am)Rhythm Wrote: (July 6, 2012 at 9:11 am)CliveStaples Wrote: Right, but if you think God doesn't exist, and you kill people who think He does because you think religiosity is a disease that needs to be stamped out...isn't that motivated by an atheist belief?
I mean, if I'm a Christian, and I think I should kill you because you're blaspheming God, and that's wrong, isn't that the same as an atheist who thinks he should kill me because I believe in God, and that's wrong? bolding is mine
You did it again. See how you consistently go above and beyond the call of duty on this one? Yes, btw, both scenarios are idiotic. Now, people are killed for blasphemy aren't they? Care to point out a martyr for me?
Oh, the chew toy is back from pouting and braying inane horseshit again. How nice.
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