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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:05 pm
(July 6, 2012 at 1:32 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: (July 6, 2012 at 1:26 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Atheism or theism relates to beliefs about gods Clive....not the sum of 2+2...........If you were interested in wiping the slate why are you rehashing the same garbage?
I'm asking you how you know when a belief system is atheist. I didn't say it had anything to do with 2+2; that was according to a different definition that you aren't using.
Your answers aren't very informative. Let's say that someone sat down in front of you, and would truthfully respond to any question you asked him. What questions would you ask to find out if he was an atheist, and what responses would let you know?
That is fucking stupid. Atheism is not a belief system. You are really hung up on this idiotic labeling thing with your semantic shell game, aren't you?
What a fucking dolt.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:05 pm
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Meh, it whittles the hours away.
So, here we are, people that don't believe in god are atheists (surprise surprise). To steal a phrase from a favorite author.... what the fuck are we doing out here, what's next?
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:08 pm
(July 6, 2012 at 1:01 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Okay, to stop getting bogged down in referencing past portions of the argument, I'm just going to wipe the slate clean.
Is the following belief system atheistic? If not, why not?
{"Justin Bieber exists", "Hurting people is wrong", "Honda is a good car manufacturer"}
Note that I'm not asking if any of these beliefs are accurate, or true.
Here's my thinking:
Yes, the belief system is atheistic; it doesn't include (or imply) the belief "At least one god exists".
Rhythm, do you agree with my evaluation of the belief system? Or do you think that I've made a mistake?
The three statements are NOT A BELIEF SYSTEM. When are you going to drop thid stupid semantic prestidigitation?
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm
(July 6, 2012 at 2:05 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: That is fucking stupid. Atheism is not a belief system. You are really hung up on this idiotic labeling thing with your semantic shell game, aren't you?
What a fucking dolt.
I don't think atheism is a belief system. To my thinking, atheism covers an entire class of belief systems--specifically, those belief systems which do not implement theism. Since atheism is the lack of belief in theism, this definition makes sense.
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm
(July 6, 2012 at 1:06 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: (July 6, 2012 at 1:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: The obvious question would be what the Biebs existence, hurting people, and Honda have to do with atheism?
You didn't answer any of the questions I asked:
Is the following belief system atheistic? If not, why not?
Rhythm, do you agree with my evaluation of the belief system? Or do you think that I've made a mistake?
When you ask what I mean by semantic prestidigitation, THAT is what I mean.
You might as well be demanding that we show you a bed made of sleep.
You can't be this fucking stupid.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm
(July 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Well, if logic is nonsense to you, then I guess atheism isn't the Bastion of Reason it's cracked up to be.
You're logic is nonsense to me. Once more and for the last fucking time, atheism simply means without theism. Are....you....really....this....fucking....dense?
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Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:14 pm
(July 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Well, if logic is nonsense to you, then I guess atheism isn't the Bastion of Reason it's cracked up to be.
How quaint. I believe he fancies himself "logical".
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:15 pm
(July 6, 2012 at 2:08 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: The three statements are NOT A BELIEF SYSTEM. When are you going to drop thid stupid semantic prestidigitation?
Okay, what is a belief system then? How do you know that the set I gave is not a belief system?
To my understanding, beliefs are essentially collections of propositions (things that are either true, or false). So we say things like, "I believe in God" to mean "I believe that the sentence "God exists" is true." Or, "I believe that he is guilty" to mean "I believe that the sentence 'He is guilty' is true". And so on.
But it seems that you have a different idea of what a belief system is. Can you go into more detail about it?
“The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false.”
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:17 pm
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(July 6, 2012 at 2:14 pm)Skepsis Wrote: (July 6, 2012 at 2:04 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: Well, if logic is nonsense to you, then I guess atheism isn't the Bastion of Reason it's cracked up to be.
How quaint. I believe he fancies himself "logical".
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Think I'll just put him on ignore.
*Adds Clive to ignore*
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Mankind's intelligence walks hand in hand with it's stupidity.
Being an atheist says nothing about your overall intelligence, it just means you don't believe in god. Atheists can be as bright as any scientist and as stupid as any creationist.
You never really know just how stupid someone is, until you've argued with them.
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RE: I can feel your anger
July 6, 2012 at 2:17 pm
(July 6, 2012 at 2:13 pm)CliveStaples Wrote: (July 6, 2012 at 2:05 pm)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote: That is fucking stupid. Atheism is not a belief system. You are really hung up on this idiotic labeling thing with your semantic shell game, aren't you?
What a fucking dolt.
I don't think atheism is a belief system. To my thinking, atheism covers an entire class of belief systems--specifically, those belief systems which do not implement theism. Since atheism is the lack of belief in theism, this definition makes sense.
More fucking shell games. It's not an "entire CLASS of belief systems" either. That's even fucking stupider.
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