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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm)Opsnyder Wrote: There is no justice in Christianity.
I know 2 dudes who are friends with each other. One is christian and another is atheist. They are good friends and both seem to be good people.
I ask christian "Your friend is an atheist where is he gonna go after he dies" he goes "He is gonna be tortured forever"
A good person will be tortured FOREVER for not believing in christian god?
Fucking retarded religion that should be wiped out.
That's just it. "Good" is relitive to the one being singled out amongest his peers. Ever Heard of a "Good Nazi? A Good Slave owner? A Good terrorist? Oscar Shiendler(Nazi), Thomas Jefferson(Slave owner), Sam Adams (Terrorist). These men were all good when compared to other who shared their title, and only 'good' from a very specific angle. Making the term 'good' meaningless unless view from a very specific persepective.
God has told us None are Truly 'good.' That means No one deserves eternal life. It is only a gift that one can accept. If said person does not except then he is turned away. Make no mistake, no one person in Heaven deserves to be there, because of anything they did or did not do. they were simply invited and accepted the invitation. Making a persons personal 'goodness' meaningless.
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 4:29 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 2:43 pm)Opsnyder Wrote: There is no justice in Christianity.
I know 2 dudes who are friends with each other. One is christian and another is atheist. They are good friends and both seem to be good people.
I ask christian "Your friend is an atheist where is he gonna go after he dies" he goes "He is gonna be tortured forever"
A good person will be tortured FOREVER for not believing in christian god?
Fucking retarded religion that should be wiped out.
I doubt that the Christian friend said "tortured," if he/she did then he/she does not know scripture, I think you added that bit of tripe to embellish your statement.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Revelations talks about the lake of fire and people being tormented.
Tormented being more or less exactly the same meaning as torture.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/torment
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 4:41 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 4:11 pm)Drich Wrote: God has told us None are Truly 'good.'
Don't you mean, " People claim that God has told us..."?
Quote:That means No one deserves eternal life.
Well, since no one gets "eternal life"...
Quote:It is only a gift that one can accept. If said person does not except then he is turned away. Make no mistake, no one person in Heaven deserves to be there, because of anything they did or did not do. they were simply invited and accepted the invitation. Making a persons personal 'goodness' meaningless.
Great! Then I don't have to do a damned thing to help people. I can be a miserable bastard my entire life, accept this "invitation" and then enjoy eternity drinking mai tais on a beach while being serviced by a bevy of naked beauties. Although... why would there be sex in "heaven"? The whole purpose of it would be moot.
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.
God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Quote:There is no justice in Christianity.
Why pick of Christianity?
'Justice' is a vague concept, widely used but rarely seen,except when defined as 'vengeance'.
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Heaven is full of the undeserving? Screw that, I'll take Valhalla every day of the week....everyone there belongs there. You people and your low standards.
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 10:45 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 2:05 pm)Drich Wrote: (July 9, 2012 at 1:11 pm)cato123 Wrote: You are helping to prove my point. The rest of Mark 5 has Jesus talking about specific laws and giving new meaning. At no time does Jesus indicate that the laws that will last until the end of the earth are not to be obeyed. In fact in 27 and 28 he now tries to make adultery a thought crime as well.
The loving god first and neighbors as yourself bit was in reply to the question 'which are the greatest of commandments' and in no way indicated that the rest are to be disobeyed. what Christ is doing is making it impossiable to find righteousness through adhearing to the Law. By not only holding on to the existing laws or interpertations of them He has added the 'spirit' or how that law maybe broken in the heart as well. What Chirst did in Mt 5 is put everyone in the same boat. Meaning Christ made it easy for the honest man to identify himself as a constant sinner. That no man at any point in his life can consider himself to be righteous. (even in his greatest works he/man is still a sinner in need of redemption.) Therefore convicting the sinner of his sin. Resulting in an effort or a need to find attonement for said sin. An attonement He/Christ offered on the Cross, which Paul (in His works in the books of Acts and Romans) specifically outlines. that is why there isn't a contradiction anywhere between the works of Paul verses the works of Christ.
These two repersent two different sides of the same coin. Only Christ/Son of God had the authority to complete the Law, and offer the attonement needed to forgive sins, and Paul was shown through his own life experience what attonement meant, when He was forgiven for persecuting the church. Then he took that lesson and applied it to the rest of Christianity, so we may see the contrast and working dynamic of what attonement really means.
Apologetic bullshit spouted by someone that still tries to reconcile the teachings of Paul with those of Jesus. To accept Paul in this instance, you must also deny the prophecy that was in Isaiah regarding the magnification of the law.
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 10:56 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 10:45 pm)cato123 Wrote: (July 9, 2012 at 2:05 pm)Drich Wrote: what Christ is doing is making it impossiable to find righteousness through adhearing to the Law. By not only holding on to the existing laws or interpertations of them He has added the 'spirit' or how that law maybe broken in the heart as well. What Chirst did in Mt 5 is put everyone in the same boat. Meaning Christ made it easy for the honest man to identify himself as a constant sinner. That no man at any point in his life can consider himself to be righteous. (even in his greatest works he/man is still a sinner in need of redemption.) Therefore convicting the sinner of his sin. Resulting in an effort or a need to find attonement for said sin. An attonement He/Christ offered on the Cross, which Paul (in His works in the books of Acts and Romans) specifically outlines. that is why there isn't a contradiction anywhere between the works of Paul verses the works of Christ.
These two repersent two different sides of the same coin. Only Christ/Son of God had the authority to complete the Law, and offer the attonement needed to forgive sins, and Paul was shown through his own life experience what attonement meant, when He was forgiven for persecuting the church. Then he took that lesson and applied it to the rest of Christianity, so we may see the contrast and working dynamic of what attonement really means.
Apologetic bullshit spouted by someone that still tries to reconcile the teachings of Paul with those of Jesus. To accept Paul in this instance, you must also deny the prophecy that was in Isaiah regarding the magnification of the law.
Please explain.
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 9, 2012 at 11:47 pm
(July 9, 2012 at 10:56 pm)Drich Wrote: (July 9, 2012 at 10:45 pm)cato123 Wrote: Apologetic bullshit spouted by someone that still tries to reconcile the teachings of Paul with those of Jesus. To accept Paul in this instance, you must also deny the prophecy that was in Isaiah regarding the magnification of the law.
Please explain.
Explain? Not that I haven't already, but for Fuck's sake! Imagine a big sucking sound, that's me inhaling the nitrogen laden gaseous body we call air in order to get the next paragraph out in a single breathe.
A jewish minx fucks around on her fiance, needs a good alibi and tells Joseph that God knocked her up. Joseph looked around and realized that his aunts and uncles could only produce males; therefore, no ass in the immediate future (my take on proceedings, Joseph isn't so gullible to believe the God bullshit so my version is likely closer to the truth). They travel on an ass to a census that never took place in order to stay at the only accomodations that Joseph could afford. Jesus was thrust into the world and immediately got swept off to Egypt to avoid a toddler purge that also never took place. Thirty years later Jesus shows back up spouting inane bullshit in order to keep himself alive; trades food and drink for story...he's a tiresome bard. He also collects a bunch of losers that the good folk also have to feed. Sounds like Joseph Smith, but I digress. Jesus has some good ideas, but tells everyone that not a law will change until the Earth disappears (his words, not mine). Fulfill doesn't mean complete or satisfy, particularly in light of Isaiah, nor what Christ is purported to have claimed. It's not until Paul that ignoring the rules is acceptable in the growing Church.
Whew! In short, you have the option of following Christ or Paul. The contradiction is plain, choose one.
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RE: Where's the Justice?
July 10, 2012 at 1:29 am
(July 9, 2012 at 11:47 pm)cato123 Wrote: Jesus has some good ideas, but tells everyone that not a law will change until the Earth disappears (his words, not mine). Ahh finally I see your problem Christ did not say the Law would not Change for He himself Changed or added to the exist ing Law (Read the Whole of Mat 5, not just the parts you've been harping on) Christ said:For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one title will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
This does not mean it would not be completed or added on to. As witnessed by verse 21
Quote:Fulfill doesn't mean complete or satisfy,
Actually it does the word in question is: γίνομαι/ginomai It Means:
to be made, finished
Quote:particularly in light of Isaiah,
Now please explain what you think Isaiah says.
Quote: nor what Christ is purported to have claimed.
Could you recap what Christ has now 'purported to have claimed?"
Quote: It's not until Paul that ignoring the rules is acceptable in the growing Church.
Whew! In short, you have the option of following Christ or Paul. The contradiction is plain, choose one.
You are jumping to conclusion based on red herring theology. So I ask again please explain what you mean (with book Chapter and Verse) rather than simply alluding to what you think, or what you think you can safely argue.
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