Does the Bible Contradict Itself?

[Erinome]

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[Minimalist]

The topic of discussion is whether there are any contradictions between two different passages of scripture

And if you could pay attention you would see that Matthew has Herod the Great alive when your godboy was born and Luke puts it a minimum of ten years later.

Herod and Quirinius are both historical figures. There is no way to reconcile the contradiction between these two passages.

If you'd quit trying to move the goalposts you would see that you have your one contradiction.

Deal with it.

[Annik]

But this implies that childbirth is inherently sinful, if forgiveness is needed, which is contradictory to Timothy saying that women can only be saved via childbirth (in regards to Eve).

[ElDinero]

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with the text.

Well then look it up, dickhead. I've told you what the Bible says, so perhaps search for 'Salah'. Just a pointer for you.

[Mystic]

Guys don't be mean. He seems to be a well-mannered person seeking the truth.

It takes courage to come here and discuss with people hostile towards him and that want to disprove his faith.

Yet he has come, and I think he deserves respect.

I don't know why people always disrespect Christians coming to debate. Would you rather have people just go on their own forums, debate no one, and not test their faith with people whom oppose it?

[Annik]

Guys don't be mean. He seems to be a well-mannered person seeking the truth.

It takes courage to come here and discuss with people hostile towards him and that want to disprove his faith.

Yet he has come, and I think he deserves respect.

I don't know why people always disrespect Christians coming to debate. Would you rather have people just go on their own forums, debate no one, and not test their faith with people whom oppose it?

I feel as if many of us think him/her guilty of intellectual dishonesty. Personally, I think they are feigning ignorance, but I cannot say either way, as I have no solid evidence. Therefore, I will proceed as if they are not feigning ignorance. Not everyone will take the same course of action, nor should they feel obligated to.

[Minimalist]

Personally, I think they are feigning ignorance,

I don't think they are faking it, dear.

[Colanth]

What's your basis for saying that it would have taken over ten years? Bearing in mind that ten years is the absolute MINIMUM amount of time, if it started just as Herod was about to cark it and ended just as Quirinus came into office.

This strikes at the heart of why people have been reluctant to participate in your thread. You're given an example and instead of thinking about it as a problem, you stick with your original position no matter what and try to find ways to shoehorn it any way you can, making unsupported assertions along the way.

It would take much time to have everyone in ancient Palestine (men and women) journey to the village or city in which their ancestors were born.

That's not a Biblical contradiction, that's a Biblical ERROR, evidently written - long after the fact - by someone totally unfamiliar with first-century Roman laws.

Rome required that everyone return to his place of residence, not his place of birth. That would mean that about 99.9% of the population was already where they had to be. Many - like traders - had more than one "legal" place of residence, so they could also stay where they were. Others - like soldiers and other employees of Rome - were exempt from returning to their places of residence for a census.

So VERY few people would have had to travel. Ten years? Ten months would have been a lot more time than was needed.

Try another useless apologism.

Oh, and while you're at it, how - exactly - did Judas die? IOW, what would the cause of death have been listed as if he had died today? The only way around that obvious contradiction is a lie.

[Minimalist]

It would take much time to have everyone in ancient Palestine (men and women) journey to the village or city in which their ancestors were born.

It is also quite possibly the stupidest thing ever written. The Romans did not give a flying fuck how many people were in Palestine.

Josephus, in Book XVIII of Antiquities of the Jews states:

Moreover, Cyrenius came himself into Judea, which was now added to the province of Syria, to take an account of their substance, and to dispose of Archelaus's money;

No world-wide census. No absurd journeying to ancient home towns. Just a newly annexed territory added to the province of Syria.

Again, put down the fucking bible and learn some shit. You are making a fool out of yourself.