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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 2:39 pm
No I don't give up, I always knew it was an appeal to ignorance, but it's still a strong argument, because if we can't think of reasons for x and y, then it seems there not to be any reasons. Therefore it's a very strong argument. But people concluded there must be a Creator before because they couldn't think of how complexity in life could have emerged from natural processes. It was like "how did this all happen.." 'we can't think of any reason but a Creator/Designer" "therefore a Creator/Designer". Now this argument is similarly saying "how can...." appealing to the fact we can't think of any reason for a benevolent being to create such and such, therefore there is no reason. That is an appeal to ignorance. It doesn't make the argument weak, because the premises still seem to be true. It just humbles it to an extent and makes it a very strong argument, but not a knock out one.
I myself am not satisfied with "I don't know nor do I have to...", rather I want to exhaust all possible explanations. I'm not satisfied with "The Lord ways are mysterious".
Which is why I made this thread.
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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 2:44 pm
(July 19, 2012 at 2:39 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: No I don't give up, I always knew it was an appeal to ignorance, but it's still a strong argument, because if we can't think of reasons for x and y, then it seems there not to be any reasons. Therefore it's a very strong argument. But people concluded there must be a Creator before because they couldn't think of how complexity in life could have emerged from natural processes. It was like "how did this all happen.." 'we can't think of any reason but a Creator/Designer" "therefore a Creator/Designer". Now this argument is similarly saying "how can...." appealing to the fact we can't think of any reason for a benevolent being to create such and such, therefore there is no reason. That is an appeal to ignorance. It doesn't make the argument weak, because the premises still seem to be true. It just humbles it to an extent and makes it a very strong argument, but not a knock out one.
I myself am not satisfied with "I don't know nor do I have to...", rather I want to exhaust all possible explanations. I'm not satisfied with "The Lord ways are mysterious".
Which is why I made this thread.
Cool, now tell me why you think an omnibenevolent God doesn't contradict a world with any suffering at all, much less the world with live in now. There literally cannot be any reason for a perfectly good God to create a world with any suffering at all.
If I can think of a world with less suffering, then why can't a God? But, that's really a separate question.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 2:49 pm
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Have you watched spider man (newest movie) ? (there is a good line at the end about that)
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July 19, 2012 at 3:22 pm
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(July 19, 2012 at 2:49 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Have you watched spider man (newest movie) ? (there is a good line at the end about that)
I would die a heinous death in a sea of poisonous jellyfish rather than watch a spiderman movie.
So no. I haven't.
My conclusion is that there is no reason to believe any of the dogmas of traditional theology and, further, that there is no reason to wish that they were true.
Man, in so far as he is not subject to natural forces, is free to work out his own destiny. The responsibility is his, and so is the opportunity.
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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 3:23 pm
MK, if you're going to talk about the new Spiderman movie, can you hide it so I don't spoil myself? Thanks. : )
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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 3:25 pm
(July 19, 2012 at 3:23 pm)Annik Wrote: MK, if you're going to talk about the new Spiderman movie, can you hide it so I don't spoil myself? Thanks. : )
Sure. I kind of already ruined it a bit, ay? Sorry.
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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 3:39 pm
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Well we've heard alot of agreement from some rather intelligent atheists so lets hear from completely the opposite end of the spectrum:
Christian! Godschild! Drich! Fr0d0!
COME ON DOWN! :-D
"That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die."
- Abdul Alhazred.
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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 3:56 pm
(July 19, 2012 at 3:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: (July 19, 2012 at 3:23 pm)Annik Wrote: MK, if you're going to talk about the new Spiderman movie, can you hide it so I don't spoil myself? Thanks. : )
Sure. I kind of already ruined it a bit, ay? Sorry.
Not overly. :3 I was just worried about reading something more related to the plot.
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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 4:26 pm
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(July 19, 2012 at 3:39 pm)RaphielDrake Wrote: Christian! Godschild! Drich! Fr0d0!
COME ON DOWN! :-D
I am waiting for them. One argument I have against diseases is the following:
If diseases are for a greater in good for humanity, we should not want to cure them.
We should want to cure them.
Therefore diseases are not for a greater good for humanity.
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RE: The argument against "evil", theists please come to the defense.
July 19, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Saw a comment on "perfection" and thought i add my two cents.
If you think about it this way. Why would a god just be pure good? In my eyes it creates nothing more then a boring utopia of dull. The very fact that we can choose and create our own path of life is reason enough to not believe in god. I'm sorry but if said god is all powerful and all seeing, why would he allow for evil to happen to his creations? sorry it just doesn't logically add up in my world
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