Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?

[spockrates]

What makes a stupid question ignorant and an intelligent question knowledgable?

A question when made just for the sake of asking is stupid and ignorant.

I see. So what makes a question stupid is not that the one asking is ignorant and wants to know what he does not know. What makes a question stupid is that one is ignorant, but does not want to know what he does not know. That is, a stupid question is an insincere one. True? Or am I misunderstanding you?

---

So are you saying, LP that if the writers of the New Testament never claimed Jesus did things you and I find impossible to do, you really wouldn't have a problem believing in him?

Sure, If Jesus was a thinker, that somehow talked about morals & ethics, even philosophy, I wouldn't have any problem believing in him. But if that were the case, your godboy wouldn't grow up to such a legend, perhaps would even be lost in the mists of time. To me is as Carl Sagan said:

"Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence"

Why do you think the fame of Jesus is an indication that he was not a thinker? Don't the revolutionary ideas of some cause people to take notice of them? Or are you saying that the false ideas others have about someone are a good reason to disregard everything the misunderstood one said?

---

The response I've often heard many people say (especially teachers of mine) was, "There are no stupid questions."

Your teachers obviously haven't spent any time on Yahoo answers.

http://www.11points.com/web-tech/11_stup...ed_my_life

[LastPoet]

I see. So what makes a question stupid is not that the one asking is ignorant and wants to know what he does not know. What makes a question stupid is that one is ignorant, but does not want to know what he does not know. That is, a stupid question is an insincere one. True? Or am I misunderstanding you?

No, you understood that one quite right. Rehashing questions by Socrates or any other philosophers just because you want to does not seem sincere to me. Reminds me of those guys that like to make deep questions just to portray themselves a knowleageble.

Why do you think the fame of Jesus is an indication that he was not a thinker? Don't the revolutionary ideas of some cause people to take notice of them? Or are you saying that the false ideas others have about someone are a good reason to disregard everything the misunderstood one said?

Now you misundertood, and my point just made a 'woosh' sound over your head. Read again. And the supposed godboy's Ideas were far from revolutionary, even at those times.

[spockrates]

I see. So what makes a question stupid is not that the one asking is ignorant and wants to know what he does not know. What makes a question stupid is that one is ignorant, but does not want to know what he does not know. That is, a stupid question is an insincere one. True? Or am I misunderstanding you?

No, you understood that one quite right. Rehashing questions by Socrates or any other philosophers just because you want to does not seem sincere to me. Reminds me of those guys that like to make deep questions just to portray themselves a knowleageble.

So a stupid question is not one asked by one who does not need to know because he already knows. Neither is a stupid question one asked by one who does need to know because he does not already know. Instead a stupid question is one asked by one who does need to know but does not want to know what he does not already know.

Would you say, then that I did needed to know, but did not want to know what you already knew a stupid question was?

[LastPoet]

I say you are trolling me. You got me for a while.

[spockrates]

I say you are trolling me. You got me for a while.

I say that it sounds to me that you mean a stupid question is an unwise one. For to ask questions but never seek any answers is an unproductive waste of time, which is foolish in the extreme! I suppose, then you must think me out of my mind! For who in his right mind would do such a thing for no good reason? My advice to you would be to stay as far away from a nut job like me, unless, of course you think it fun to mess with the mind of the mentally unstable. You don't, do you?

---

Wait, don't answer that! How foolish of me to ask! I didn't want to know anyway.

[Napoléon]

[Gambit]

Spock's rather odd derailment of the thread aside, we're in agreement that no one is recorded as having wrote about Jesus during his lifetime, right?

[jonb]

As I have said more than once I am very old but in my youth, I met Jesus several times, when he was out preaching on a Sunday in the markets on a Saturday or playing tambourine live on stage with Argent among others.


http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Reading-74-jesus.html

[Gambit]

As I have said more than once I am very old but in my youth, I met Jesus several times, when he was out preaching on a Sunday in the markets on a Saturday or playing tambourine live on stage with Argent among others.


http://www.ukrockfestivals.com/Reading-74-jesus.html

Seems legit.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

Spock's rather odd derailment of the thread aside, we're in agreement that no one is recorded as having wrote about Jesus during his lifetime, right?

Indeed,but don't take our word,nor the that of an ignoramus apologist like Spock. Spend some time Googling,reading both sides and make up your own mind.*


My perception is that The New Testament is the mythology of a religion invented not less than 50 years after the death of its alleged founder.

History as a discipline simply did not exist in the first century.Most ancient 'historians' are of limited reliability as prime sources.The first modern historian was probably Edward Gibbon.(1773-1794) There are even a few problems with his epic "The Decline And Fall Of The Roman Empire"

Modern historians have high standards of evidence,which begin with contemporary evidence of events. The New Testament simply does not meet any of the standards of evidence demanded by today's scholars.

One of my ideas is that The New Testament was written at a time when most people were illiterate,and simply did not make a distinction between daily life and the realm of the gods. They were happy to believe almost anything which had been written down.The written word has always been seen by the illiterate as possessing truth and power.

Universal literacy and education is relatively recent in even the most developed nations.Sadly,there are still vast numbers of dupes who believe the most appalling drivel simply because it is 2000 years old and because some other dupe they trust (usually a parent) told them the drivel is true.


PS *the exception here is Min,who is actually quite learned in this area.