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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 6, 2012 at 9:26 pm
No, for this stuff:
(August 6, 2012 at 8:38 pm)catfish Wrote: For the first 4 centuries AD, the Romans did their best to suppress and persecute the early Christians in an attempt to stamp out the evidence.
From the 4th century on, the Romans had an agenda to collect and subsequently suppress all writings regarding the matter so that they could forge their own brand of neo-pagan/christian doctrine.
You don't get to just make shit up and call it a theory. You need to produce the evidence that any of this happened, not only as an historical event but "in an attempt to stamp out the evidence." Basic burden of proof. I can't believe you're actually this dense, though my position on that is open to change.
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 6, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Quote:For the first 4 centuries AD, the Romans did their best to suppress and persecute the early Christians in an attempt to stamp out the evidence.
The first empire wide "persecution" of xtians occurred in the mid-3d century under the emperor Decius.
http://www.tititudorancea.org/z/decius.htm
Quote:In January 250, Decius issued an edict for the suppression of Christianity. The edict itself was fairly clear:
While Decius himself may have intended the edict as a way to reaffirm his conservative vision of the Pax Romana and to reassure Rome's citizens that the empire was still secure, it nevertheless sparked a "terrible crisis of authority as various [Christian] bishops and their flocks reacted to it in different ways." Measures were first taken demanding that the bishops and officers of the church make a sacrifice for the Emperor, a matter of an oath of allegiance that Christians considered offensive. Certificates were issued to those who satisfied the pagan commissioners during the persecution of Christians under Decius. Forty-six such certificates have been published, all dating from 250, four of them from Oxyrhynchus. Christian followers who refused to offer a pagan sacrifice for the Emperor and the Empire's well-being by a specified date risked torture and execution. A number of prominent Christians did, in fact, refuse to make a sacrifice and were killed in the process including Pope Fabian himself in 250 and "anti-Christian feeling[s] led to pogroms at Carthage and Alexandria." In reality, however, towards the end of the second year of Decius' reign, "the ferocity of the [anti-Christian] persecution had eased off, and the earlier tradition of tolerance had begun to reassert itself." The Christian church though never forgot the reign of Decius whom they labelled as that "fierce tyrant".
If you can find an imperial edict prior to this by all means, let's see it.
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 6, 2012 at 10:23 pm
(August 6, 2012 at 9:23 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Yes, crusader, I'd like a citation. By the way, theres plenty of shit that your supposed to believe in "after he died". In fact, it's central to the damned narrative. But why bicker over that right? Cherry picking is in.
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24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.
25 Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.
26 Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 6, 2012 at 11:32 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2012 at 11:33 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Standard blood libel shit. You've mistranslated the verse (and ignored the source). Bravo.
You do realize, btw, that that verse is actually used to support the "mythical shit that happened after he died"...correct?
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 6, 2012 at 11:39 pm
(August 6, 2012 at 11:32 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Standard blood libel shit. You've mistranslated the verse (and ignored the source). Bravo.
You do realize, btw, that that verse is actually used to support the "mythical shit that happened after he died"...correct?
An antitheist claiming I mistranslated? What are you, a closet Christian?
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 6, 2012 at 11:45 pm
(This post was last modified: August 6, 2012 at 11:49 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
No, just better educated on the subject than yourself, apparently. Let's be clear here, you offered this up as part of a theory, it's important that you know wtf you're talking about (if you want this "theory" to be taken seriously). It's important that your explanations are accurate. They aren't. Not about this verse, and not about roman antipathy towards christianity. So where does that leave us troll?
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 6, 2012 at 11:48 pm
(August 6, 2012 at 11:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote: No, just better educated on the subject than yourself, apparently.
If that makes you feel better about yourself, roll with it.
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 6, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Oh I do, but thanks for sanctioning it nevertheless. Did you have anything to add? Care to modify your theory?
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 7, 2012 at 12:00 am
(August 6, 2012 at 11:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Oh I do, but thanks for sanctioning it nevertheless. Did you have anything to add? Care to modify your theory?
Proverbs 14:15
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15 The simple believeth every word: but the prudent man looketh well to his going.
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RE: Writings during the lifetime of Jesus?
August 7, 2012 at 12:02 am
I'm sorry, does that verse turn ones mistakes into solid scholarship? Must be magic.
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