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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 30, 2012 at 11:49 pm
(August 30, 2012 at 11:30 pm)Stimbo Wrote: You'd think at least one bloke would have said something, however insignificant. "Dear diary: I was hobbling down the street this morning, trying to cadge a few shekels for a cup of coffee, and you'll never guess who I bumped into coming round the corner! Only that Jesus bloke everyone's been talking about. Nice enough fella, hair's a bit long and he's shorter than he looks in his paintings, and he could really do with a bath, but ok I suppose if you like that sort of thing. Miserable git walked straight past pretending not to see me with my hand out, though."
Seriously, I met Jesus once. He bogarted the joint we shared, raided my fridge, and he ran off with half of my stash and my best porn.
Fucker still owes me fifty bucks, too. Though he did promise I'd be repaid ten-fold.
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 30, 2012 at 11:57 pm
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(August 30, 2012 at 11:47 pm)Minimalist Wrote: In my list I neglected to mention Josephus....who did discuss Caesar and his murder and the aftermath.... but for whom xtians had to forge references for their godboy!
I'm shocked - why in the world would they feel the need to forge evidence for his existence if there was any real evidence knocking about?! 
(August 30, 2012 at 11:49 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Seriously, I met Jesus once. He bogarted the joint we shared, raided my fridge, and he ran off with half of my stash and my best porn.
Fucker still owes me fifty bucks, too. Though he did promise I'd be repaid ten-fold.
For some reason you just reminded me of this:
http://youtu.be/hcVMliURfqw?t=15s
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 31, 2012 at 12:48 am
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(August 30, 2012 at 10:58 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: How can theists equate Julius Caesar with Jesus when it comes to existence? Julius wrote down stuff AND issued coins with his face on it, two things that Jesus wasn't capable of. The latter is obviously an unfair comparison because of the position Julius was in, but the point is that his existence is undoubtedly proven.
Hardly unfair Fall, this asshat was supposedly god incarnate. Minting a few coins or keeping a journal should be pretty simple for the lord of the fucking cosmos, creator and upholder of all that can be seen (and apparently a whole bunch of shit that can't).
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 31, 2012 at 1:56 am
(August 30, 2012 at 10:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:Can you prove Julius Caesar was assassinated?
Historians:
Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus
Gaius Suetonius Tranquilus
Lucius Mestrius Plutarchus
Appian of Alexandria
Marcus Velleius Paterculus
Publius Annius Florus
Politicians:
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Gaius Octavius Caesar
Writers:
Publius Vergilius Maro
All of the above mentioned the assassination of Julius Caesar in one context or another. Did you look these guys up? Most of them were born after Caesar's death, some by over a hundred years. The earliest copies of the chronicles of Julius Caesar date to the 900s AD. I think people embellished his assassination over all those years. The ones that knew him agreed to lie about the manner of his death. Gosh, if 'mentions' were all we needed, Jesus could be real. http://www.evidencetobelieve.net/history_of_jesus.htm
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 31, 2012 at 2:00 am
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When you see historians taking records of the spirit of Caesar being carried from his funeral pyre into the heaven by flaming eagles as EITHER LITERAL OR FIGURATIVE truth, then pipe up.
Until then,
SHUT THE FUCK UP!
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 31, 2012 at 2:06 am
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(August 31, 2012 at 1:56 am)Undeceived Wrote: (August 30, 2012 at 10:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Historians:
Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus
Gaius Suetonius Tranquilus
Lucius Mestrius Plutarchus
Appian of Alexandria
Marcus Velleius Paterculus
Publius Annius Florus
Politicians:
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Gaius Octavius Caesar
Writers:
Publius Vergilius Maro
All of the above mentioned the assassination of Julius Caesar in one context or another. Did you look these guys up? Most of them were born after Caesar's death, some by over a hundred years. The earliest copies of the chronicles of Julius Caesar date to the 900s AD. I think people embellished his assassination over all those years.
They may very well have done precisely that. To be honest, some embellishment is expected. Now what? Would you be willing to make this concession for your fairies?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 31, 2012 at 3:09 am
(August 31, 2012 at 1:56 am)Undeceived Wrote: (August 30, 2012 at 10:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Historians:
Lucius Cassius Dio Cocceianus
Gaius Suetonius Tranquilus
Lucius Mestrius Plutarchus
Appian of Alexandria
Marcus Velleius Paterculus
Publius Annius Florus
Politicians:
Marcus Tullius Cicero
Gaius Octavius Caesar
Writers:
Publius Vergilius Maro
All of the above mentioned the assassination of Julius Caesar in one context or another. Did you look these guys up? Most of them were born after Caesar's death, some by over a hundred years. The earliest copies of the chronicles of Julius Caesar date to the 900s AD. I think people embellished his assassination over all those years. The ones that knew him agreed to lie about the manner of his death. Gosh, if 'mentions' were all we needed, Jesus could be real. http://www.evidencetobelieve.net/history_of_jesus.htm
And you evidence for any of that is.......?
Oh, right. You pulled it out of your fucking ass. Just admit it, asswipe. You are so desperate to sustain your absurd belief in your mythical godboy that you rattle off any fool thing that pops into your dilapidated brain.
And you wonder why idiots like you make me fucking sick.
Try, for once in your life, a little intellectual integrity, would you? Right now you look like an even bigger moron than G-C and that takes some doing.
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 31, 2012 at 5:22 am
But history and religion are as different as chalk and cheese. It doesn't matter if Julius Caesar really wasn't assassinated by Brutus. It doesn't matter if Julius Caesar choked while eating a steak and kidney pie and died of asphyxiation. But if Jesus didn't resurrect (which is a tall tale to begin with), it's a big deal for a lot of these fundamentalists, isn't it?
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 31, 2012 at 5:37 am
How many times have I read on this forum "#1 The world doesn’t make sense without God" as a rationale for believing in the Christian god? Who says the world has to make sense? Who says it isn't your own failure if you can't make sense of the world without God? You're just saying you've grown accustomed to the comforting thought of God pulling the strings and aren't ready to trade that in on shit just happening for natural reasons. No one cares if the world makes sense to you. That isn't convincing to anyone else and shouldn't be to you. You aren't so much convinced by this argument as motivated by it. I can't bring myself to read the rest of your list if this made your number one spot.
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RE: My Defense of Christianity.
August 31, 2012 at 5:44 am
Quote:Maybe it's time to teach you what your own Bible says.
Ephesians 3:4,5
4When you read this, you can perceive my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5which was not made known to the sons of men in other generations as it has now been revealed to his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit.
Galatians 1:11,12
11For I would have you know, brothers, that the gospel that was preached by me is not man's gospel. 12For I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ.
I've been trying to get an answer to this for a while but everyone dodges the question. Why are the early Christians talking about Jesus as if he was a spiritual being? Both these verses don't even bother mentioning his glorious 3 year ministry. Instead they collectively say the gospel came from no man but through the spirit. Oh really? That's an incredibly harsh thing to say after all that Jesus went through.
P.s. it would really help if you brought up real arguments instead if resorting to fallacies like appealing to authority and the masses. If you think that's good enough then how about this: the majority of the world doesn't believe in Christianity so you must be wrong.
Edit, you obviously haven't been a Christian before. Of course the gospel was written through the spirit.
The Following is what Christian's believe in, so don't give me any crap about whether it's true or not.
The people who wrote this books wrote it inspired by God's word. They took God's word and took it down. God is both the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. It's quite possible God put the Holy spirit in them and that made them write it or it could be referring to himself, since he technically is also the Spirit. God is technically Jesus too.
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You gave two verses, there are hundreds supporting that he called himself the Son of God.
Your last statement just supports mine. Both Christian and non-Chrisitan scholars support that Jesus existed. The vast majority does, and they AREN'T stupid.
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