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Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 2:52 pm
I don't know why I do this but I debate with people on Facebook about issues like the separation of church and state. I have a friend of mine who has used this video against me several times. I can't seem to get past this with logical arguments and I don't have time to chase down all this bullshit. I can do some but this is a lot of crap. Help please.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlfEdJNn1...r_embedded#!
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm
You know where in the world there is no division between the church and state?
Use it as a good example.
Iran.
Turkey.
Where else?
[wiki help]: Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Oman, Iran, Nigeria.
Do you want the US to become like those places?
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 5:40 pm
(September 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm)pocaracas Wrote: You know where in the world there is no division between the church and state?
Use it as a good example.
Iran.
Turkey.
Where else?
[wiki help]: Yemen, Afghanistan, Somalia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Oman, Iran, Nigeria.
Do you want the US to become like those places?
And, annoyingly enough, "Great" Britain.
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 6:38 pm
WOW This is the best youtube video I've ever seen!!! Thanks Ziploc that was a surprize! I am alittle prouder to be an American now 
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Turkey is secular.
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 6:47 pm
(September 10, 2012 at 6:44 pm)5thHorseman Wrote: Turkey is secular. Right...
That's why it'll always be a candidate to the EU... 
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 6:48 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2012 at 6:50 pm by Cyberman.)
(September 10, 2012 at 5:39 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Do you want the US to become like those places?
I thought it already was..!
(September 10, 2012 at 5:40 pm)Tobie Wrote: And, annoyingly enough, "Great" Britain.
I think that's the primary reason for why religion here has faded. We've let it boil and bubble away to itself and now all the steam's gone. All that's left is the occasional flatulent exhalation, the stuff of comedy.
As for the "Great" Britain thing, it's Great as in size. It indicates that we're bigger than Brittany. That's all. Of course we're great for all sorts of reasons but none of that is reflected in the name.
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm
(This post was last modified: September 10, 2012 at 6:58 pm by Cato.)
David Barton is disengenuous. Chris Rodda has done an excellent job of combatting the myth of the United States having been founded as a Christian nation. I recommend her book "Liars for Jesus: The Religious Right's Alternate Version of American History."
She also runs a blog. Here's a link to her blog, already filtered for David Barton content.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/rodda/?s=dav...on&x=0&y=0
Are you aware that David Barton's latest book, "The Jefferson Lies", was pulled by its publisher due to its many historical errors? Also, other conservative Christians such as Warren Throckmorton have actually led the charge against Barton's abuses. http://wthrockmorton.com/
Share this with your FB buddies. If they still insist on the Christian nation bullshit, at least you know what type of idiot you are dealing with.
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 7:20 pm
All right, I'll try to do some basic points:
* The Aitken Bible was the first Bible to be printed on U.S. Soil, but it was not published by the U.S. Congress. It was only endorsed, and even then mainly as a way of helping out the burgeoning U.S. Printing industry.
* I have found no evidence to support the assumption that the painting of "The Landing of Columbus" was done to promote Christianity, and besides, if this is supposed to endorse Christianity today, why not also use it to support slavery like Columbus inflicted on the Taino people of "San Salvador."
* The way I've looked at the whole "church services in the Capitol," It seems like they're really just ecumenical events, and there's no evidence that Thomas Jefferson had any role in making it happen, nor in ordering the Marine Band to play the services, although he did attend on occasion.
* James Garfield stopped preaching at the time he went to Congress in 1862.
* About Thomas Jefferson and the Kaskaskia, l ook here.
*When he says "Seminary or Bible school degrees," he interprets the phrase very loosely. To hear him speak, all Harvard or Yale degrees are in divinity.
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RE: Oh god, someone please help me refute this video.
September 10, 2012 at 7:27 pm
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+1 cato123
One specific point I'm aware of @0:42: all books printed at the time for use in schools had Congressional endorsement. The fact that the bible was amongst those books is not an indication that the government endorsed any particular religion, rather that the government wanted a particular curriculum in place.
Generally, I give this vid a big, slow 'so what?' right up the arse. The individual beliefs of the founding fathers is irrelevant to the point of the superiority of secularism over theocracy. To suggest so is nothing more than an argument from authority.
Sum ergo sum
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