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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 6:06 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (October 12, 2012 at 6:03 pm)catfish Wrote: Which scientific "errors" are you talking about? Nothing supports the Earth? The water cycles? The ocean currents? the fact that everything is made from things unseen? Maybe you think that washing with water is incorrect? (bolding added)
Yeah, about that:
Psalms 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
What are these foundations?
Job 26:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Now, why would you think the Bible says the Earth is flat???
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 12, 2012 at 7:18 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm)catfish Wrote: (October 12, 2012 at 6:06 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (bolding added)
Yeah, about that:
Psalms 104:5
He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.
What are these foundations?
Job 26:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Now, why would you think the Bible says the Earth is flat???
Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor."
How could he do that with a round earth?
Job 26:11 "The pillars of the heavens quake,
aghast at his rebuke."
...pillars? The sky is held up by nothing.
Psalm 104:5 "He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever."
So does this mean the bible contradicted itself? Or would you care to explain how god put the earth on foundations and on nothing at the same time?
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 12, 2012 at 8:02 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 7:18 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (October 12, 2012 at 6:30 pm)catfish Wrote: Job 26:7-8
King James Version (KJV)
7 He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.
8 He bindeth up the waters in his thick clouds; and the cloud is not rent under them.
Now, why would you think the Bible says the Earth is flat???
Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor."
How could he do that with a round earth?
Job 26:11 "The pillars of the heavens quake,
aghast at his rebuke."
...pillars? The sky is held up by nothing.
Psalm 104:5 "He established the earth upon its foundations,
So that it will not totter forever and ever."
So does this mean the bible contradicted itself? Or would you care to explain how god put the earth on foundations and on nothing at the same time?
Wait a minute. Are you interpretting everything literally?
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 8:02 pm)catfish Wrote: Wait a minute. Are you interpretting everything literally?
 There we go! So, now that we've got that over with, how does one determine the cononical reading of literal vs. metaphor, seeing as the authors gave no guide as to distingush between them beyond assumptions?
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 12, 2012 at 8:34 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm)Darkstar Wrote: There we go! So, now that we've got that over with, how does one determine the cononical reading of literal vs. metaphor, seeing as the authors gave no guide as to distingush between them beyond assumptions?
Reading comprehension skills...
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 12, 2012 at 8:43 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 8:34 pm)catfish Wrote: (October 12, 2012 at 8:08 pm)Darkstar Wrote: There we go! So, now that we've got that over with, how does one determine the cononical reading of literal vs. metaphor, seeing as the authors gave no guide as to distingush between them beyond assumptions?
Reading comprehension skills...
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 13, 2012 at 2:47 am
(October 12, 2012 at 8:43 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Captain Metaphor saves the day!
I was speaking literally... 
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 13, 2012 at 11:10 am
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(October 12, 2012 at 8:34 pm)catfish Wrote: Reading comprehension skills...
And of course, only you have the best reading comprehension skills to know exactly which parts are to be read metaphorically and which parts are to be taken literally.
And all those other 30,000 + Christian sects that read the Bible differently have inferior reading comprehension skills as you. Not to mention Jews and Muslims that interpret the Bible differently.
Funny how over time less and less of the Bible is taken literally. It is modernity that forces you to claim some parts of the Bible that used to be taken literally, are now metaphor. You do know that if you were around 500 years ago, you would have been a heretic for claiming the earth was spherical, right?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 13, 2012 at 11:26 am
I thought reading the bible correctly required possession by the holy spirit. Perhaps one doesn't even need to be able to read at all if they truly open themselves to the holy spirit.
Of course the same criticisms still stand. How do you know your sect has the right approach to inviting in the holy spirit while all those other sects keep inviting in god-only-knows-what.
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RE: Gullibility - a key to heaven?
October 13, 2012 at 1:56 pm
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