Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell

[Darkstar]

I can't believe in a universe that pops into existence out of nothing. That makes no sense to me.

But you can believe in a god that pops into existence out of nothing? A god that is infinitly greater than said universe?

On the topic of hell; when I was a little kid I would think "I'm not really going to hell for missing church, they're just trying to scare me...right?" I never was truly afraid, and since a lot of christians re-interpret the bible nowadays, you can just pretend that they never said that. Of course, it was resolved for me when I became atheist. A loving god wouldn't make it almost impossible to avoid hell, so either:
1. god exists and the church has fatally distorted his teachings
2. god exists and he's far from loving
3. god doesn't exist

[Drich]

Then why reamain catholic? You do know that Christianity has moved beyond the bounds of catholisim back to biblically based Christianity. Why not try worshiping God as he has instructed in the bible?

Does that include killing farm animals and burning them in your back yard for him?

I believe you have confused yourself with the rules Judism. Catholisim is a version of Christianity. My suggestion has the OP consider other forms of Christianity.

[Angrboda]

As for ex nilhilo it is the Concept that at one point before Space-time existed and God created space-time rather than space-time emergening rather counter-intuitively by its self.Also known as creatio ex nihilo

Before space-time? Created space-time? Space-time emerging?

Don't you realize that the bolded concepts are meaningless without a spatio-temporal context? Ergo there can be no "before" space-time, therefore, space-time cannot be "created" or "emerge".

I'm a firm believer in the principle of emergent self-idiocy. That's the potential for a person to, out of nowhere, ex nihilo, create an act of such idiocy that it appears to violate their heretofore assumptions on the upper bounds of their own stupidity.



Anyway, I rather think this jerkoff has jerked and off. We're talking to ourselves here. (Better company anyway.)

[Brian37]

Does that include killing farm animals and burning them in your back yard for him?

I believe you have confused yourself with the rules Judism. Catholisim is a version of Christianity. My suggestion has the OP consider other forms of Christianity.

So? Superman is not real and humans cant fly. Humans cant spin webs out of their hands like a spider. Bushes dont talk, snakes don't talk, there is no such thing as a virgin birth. Humans do not survive physical perminant death. And there is no such thing as a non material thinking being, by any name.

This is a stupid argument. It is like going to a si fi convention listing to a Star Trec fan argue with a Star Wars fan.

"I am not like the others", YES YOU ARE. You have as much evidence for your pet diety claim as any Muslim, Jew, Hindu, or Catholic. Superstition is superstition by any name.

Be the first to get your pet god theory pantented and you will be the first human in our species history to do such. Good luck with that, I am sure you will have as much succes as those prior.

[Drich]

I believe you have confused yourself with the rules Judism. Catholisim is a version of Christianity. My suggestion has the OP consider other forms of Christianity.

So? Superman is not real and humans cant fly. Humans cant spin webs out of their hands like a spider. Bushes dont talk, snakes don't talk, there is no such thing as a virgin birth. Humans do not survive physical perminant death. And there is no such thing as a non material thinking being, by any name.

This is a stupid argument. It is like going to a si fi convention listing to a Star Trec fan argue with a Star Wars fan.

"I am not like the others", YES YOU ARE. You have as much evidence for your pet diety claim as any Muslim, Jew, Hindu, or Catholic. Superstition is superstition by any name.

Be the first to get your pet god theory pantented and you will be the first human in our species history to do such. Good luck with that, I am sure you will have as much succes as those prior.

So?

This advise was intended for a believer who is having trouble with one very specific form of Christianity. My advise is to simply switch to another. You have completely missed the point of the conversation. I do not have to prove God to this believer. All I must do is show that God exists beyond his understanding of worship. To which the foundation of general belief has been established in his current form of worship.

[Brian37]

So? Superman is not real and humans cant fly. Humans cant spin webs out of their hands like a spider. Bushes dont talk, snakes don't talk, there is no such thing as a virgin birth. Humans do not survive physical perminant death. And there is no such thing as a non material thinking being, by any name.

This is a stupid argument. It is like going to a si fi convention listing to a Star Trec fan argue with a Star Wars fan.

"I am not like the others", YES YOU ARE. You have as much evidence for your pet diety claim as any Muslim, Jew, Hindu, or Catholic. Superstition is superstition by any name.

Be the first to get your pet god theory pantented and you will be the first human in our species history to do such. Good luck with that, I am sure you will have as much succes as those prior.

So?

This advise was intended for a believer who is having trouble with one very specific form of Christianity. My advise is to simply switch to another. You have completely missed the point of the conversation. I do not have to prove God to this believer. All I must do is show that God exists beyond his understanding of worship. To which the foundation of general belief has been established in his current form of worship.

I did not miss the point. I was merely cutting through all the crap. Before you get to word one of any sect or any label of any god claim you are STILL postulating the absurd.

All invisible sky friend claims are merely products of human imagination. Certainly by any legal standared you don't have to prove anything. But your claim wont pass the laugh test in any credible scientific setting.

If you wish to try to make your non material invisible sky friend theory credibile you can certainly make the attempt, but it would be an excersise in futility. And again, I am sure you will have as much luck proving your pet god claim as all those prior.

[Minimalist]

He tries and fails on a regular basis.

[zappa1258]

What about the rapist priest and Nazi pope you have? The catholic church should be called the Church of the Pedophile and Mafia Nazi rapist. I hate that cult.

[Reforged]

If you perform a mortal sin while obeying an unrelated rule do they cancel each other out?
If so I'm going to start turning up to masses and start whacking away like my spunk has healing powers which coincidently is the rumour I've successfully spread among the Nuns. Good times ahead.

[TaraJo]

Does that include killing farm animals and burning them in your back yard for him?

I believe you have confused yourself with the rules Judism. Catholisim is a version of Christianity. My suggestion has the OP consider other forms of Christianity.

So, you're claiming that god, who is eternal and unchanging, only wanted us to kill livestock for him 3,000 years ago? What happened? Did Yahweh get tired of the smell of burnt meat?

Me, I find that pretty damn ironic. If we had to kill some extra pigs or cattle today, I'm sure we have the food stores to get away with it; we waste enough food as is. Back then, though, a couple of cattle could be the difference between surviving the winter and starving to death.