Under the Rules of Catholicism, the Vast Majority of People Are Going to Hell

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Again, the problem with your arguement is that the Jewish religion is not set up to process human sacerfice, and in order for your interpertation of this passage to work one has to over look a 1/2 a dozen barriers in their religious practice and the orginal language in which the story was recorded to force this foolish interpretation.

You're not looking at the Bible critically. You're assuming all these stories and law codes came together in the same sequence of the events as it reads plainly in the Bible as it exists today. Sorry, that's not how it happened. The OT draws from a variety of different sources from different eras of Israel's history. You cannot simply appeal to the traditions of Israel to rule out that child sacrifice is happening here because the story could be from a much earlier period and the traditions from a later period.

To say "the text can't be possibly be implying that because of these traditions" is to assume the bible has no contradictions. The Bible was not written and recorded in the fairy tale way you believe it was.

[Darkstar]

To say "the text can't be possibly be implying that because of these traditions" is to assume the bible has no contradictions. The Bible was not written and recorded in the fairy tale way you believe it was.

And before anyone tries to say that the bible doesn't have contradictions, please look at this. The lower half of the page shows the actual passages, the upper shows where you can find them.

[Reforged]

To be fair Catholicism does provide a very straight and narrow path...
















To a seamen stained death down in a church basement.
See what I did there? :-)

[Faith No More]

To a seamen stained death down in a church basement.

What does the Navy have to do with Catholicism?

[Reforged]

To a seamen stained death down in a church basement.

What does the Navy have to do with Catholicism?

*leans into whisper*
Everything.

[Drich]

Again, the problem with your arguement is that the Jewish religion is not set up to process human sacerfice, and in order for your interpertation of this passage to work one has to over look a 1/2 a dozen barriers in their religious practice and the orginal language in which the story was recorded to force this foolish interpretation.

You're not looking at the Bible critically. You're assuming all these stories and law codes came together in the same sequence of the events as it reads plainly in the Bible as it exists today. Sorry, that's not how it happened. The OT draws from a variety of different sources from different eras of Israel's history. You cannot simply appeal to the traditions of Israel to rule out that child sacrifice is happening here because the story could be from a much earlier period and the traditions from a later period.

To say "the text can't be possibly be implying that because of these traditions" is to assume the bible has no contradictions. The Bible was not written and recorded in the fairy tale way you believe it was.

Nice try, But...

We know the Pentatuch was written first. why is this important? Because in these first five books contained the law. The laws that establish the need for sacerfice/offerings and how they were to be carried out. Judges came after. Meaning Jep's efforts would fall under the law.

[Darkstar]

Nice try, But...

We know the Pentatuch was written first. why is this important? Because in these first five books contained the law. The laws that establish the need for sacerfice/offerings and how they were to be carried out. Judges came after. Meaning Jep's efforts would fall under the law.

Huh? It explicitly says that 'he did to her as he had vowed'. He had vowed to offer the first thing he saw as a burnt offering to god. It didn't say 'but the priest stopped him'. He did it, by the time they tell you that she was a virgin, she is already dead, regardless of the laws.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

You're not looking at the Bible critically. You're assuming all these stories and law codes came together in the same sequence of the events as it reads plainly in the Bible as it exists today. Sorry, that's not how it happened. The OT draws from a variety of different sources from different eras of Israel's history. You cannot simply appeal to the traditions of Israel to rule out that child sacrifice is happening here because the story could be from a much earlier period and the traditions from a later period.

To say "the text can't be possibly be implying that because of these traditions" is to assume the bible has no contradictions. The Bible was not written and recorded in the fairy tale way you believe it was.

Nice try, But...

We know the Pentatuch was written first. why is this important? Because in these first five books contained the law. The laws that establish the need for sacerfice/offerings and how they were to be carried out. Judges came after. Meaning Jep's efforts would fall under the law.

The story itself may have roots earlier.

[IATIA]

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The Catholic Church teaches that anyone who dies with even one mortal sin on their soul goes to hell.

And it would probably surprise you how non-serious something can be and still be a mortal sin.

For example, missing Mass on Sunday is a mortal sin.

And masturbating is a mortal sin.

So really, who hasn't done either?

And the only way to get mortal sins off your soul is to have a good confession with a Catholic priest.

But who, outside the Catholic Church, ever goes to confession to a Catholic priest?

So really, the chances of getting into heaven are pretty slim if you're a Catholic and darn near impossible if you're not.

I think I need to ask a Catholic priest about this, but the problem is, most of them seem ill-equipped to answer questions.

I have observed that the Catholic priesthood is filled with men of maybe a little bit over average intelligence, and most of them get confounded if you ask them questions.

Jesuits are very smart, however, though I have not had the opportunity to talk to a Jesuit priest since law school.

Perhaps I should seek out a Jesuit and get some answers.

Right now, I'm just befuddled.

It seems to me that many Catholic priests and bishops have serious mortal sins on their soul and really, their sins are far more serious than missing Mass and masturbating.

I'm actually not much of a sinner compared to Cardinal Law or Cardinal Mahoney, who covered up for pedophiles and did not expel them from the priesthood.

Can you tell I am bitter?

Yes, I am bitter and that road leads nowhere good I'm sure.

Anyway, I'm sure all of you are going to pile up on me and tell me I should be an atheist now, but that's not going to happen.

I can't believe in a universe that pops into existence out of nothing. That makes no sense to me.

But I am distressed and disturbed that the Catholic faith which meant so much to me has let me down in this deep and fundamental way.

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Can you show the chapter/verse that says anyone will go to hell? Or for that matter, heaven.

[Minimalist]

Drippy is a classic apologist shithead. Demands chapter and verse for something and then, when given exactly that, decides to move the goal posts.

Fuck you and god, Drippy. You two shits deserve each other.