Does God never guide disbelievers?

[TaraJo]

It's amazing what people will agree to if you swing a sword at their head.

I know. Threaten me with eternal torment of any grotesque form you can think of and I'll laugh in your face. But hold a sword over my living body and I'll give you all the hosannas and praise-be-to-Allah's you require.

And if you still don't go along, at least they get to spread their religion in the elimination of anyone who doesn't buy into it.

[Mystic]

[Rayaan]

[Reforged]

There is a lot of verses that state God doesn’t guide the disbelieving people. Other verses state that God doesn’t guide the unjust people

That's not a contradiction, is it?

Not if you think disbelievers are by default unjust.
No, not at all.

[Mystic]

Why isn't the change in themselves that is an initial condition for faith not regarded not as guidance from God? At any rate, a disbeliever is a disbeliever as long as he doesn't believe. As soon s he believes, he been guided to faith. Yet how is that possible when disbelievers are not guided to faith? One of the verses say "those whom do not believe in our Signs, God will not guide them..."..in this case, how would they move from condition of non-believing in God's signs to the state of believing in them, while it is stated God doesn't disbelievers but says he guides to faith.

Also, what about the verses that states "as for those whom disbelieve, whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe?". How is that not a statement about 1) all disbelievers 2) that they would not change from disbelief to belief.

Also the verses about hearts sealed, they were general about those whom deny God's signs. So how can they be specific about only certain disbelievers?

[KichigaiNeko]

Why isn't the change in themselves that is an initial condition for faith not regarded not as guidance from God? At any rate, a disbeliever is a disbeliever as long as he doesn't believe. As soon s he believes, he been guided to faith. Yet how is that possible when disbelievers are not guided to faith? One of the verses say "those whom do not believe in our Signs, God will not guide them..."..in this case, how would they move from condition of non-believing in God's signs to the state of believing in them, while it is stated God doesn't disbelievers but says he guides to faith.

Also, what about the verses that states "as for those whom disbelieve, whether you warn them or do not warn them, they will not believe?". How is that not a statement about 1) all disbelievers 2) that they would not change from disbelief to belief.

Also the verses about hearts sealed, they were general about those whom deny God's signs. So how can they be specific about only certain disbelievers?

For all your mental masturbation Mystic...your god does NOT exist hence no one is "guided" except by their own internal philosophy

Stop trying to make it religious mate and you will get further.

How's the weight loss coming along?

[Mystic]

1) Those whom don't believe in God's Ayat, God will not guide them.
2) God guides to faith.
3) To be guided to faith, one must leave state of not believing to believing.
4) Therefore one must be guided while they do not believe in God's signs.
5) God says he doesn't guide people in that state.
6) God says he does guide people in that state.

5&6 contradict.

Then we have verses which are more explicit, in that says simply disbelievers will never believe.

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For all your mental masturbation Mystic...your god does NOT exist hence no one is "guided" except by their own internal philosophy

God definitely exists, but I agree that God doesn't guide or misguide people, he simply put a system in which by our free-will, we can be guided or misguided.

Stop trying to make it religious mate and you will get further.

How will I get further in life if I stop believing in God?

How's the weight loss coming along?

Exercise is good, diet not so good (ate like 15 olives yesterday).