Comparing where the candidates stand on religion.

[Whateverist]

On another thread I read here this morning I listened to the asshole Penn Jillette (who happens also to be an atheist) criticizing Obama for being either an idiot believer or a liar. He uses the church Obama attended in Chicago to distort what Obama must believe in as a Christian if he isn't a liar.

It isn't too hard to see that Blowhard Jillette's real motivation is to deflect votes away from Obama for reasons relating to class status. Like so many other Repulicunts, he would like to go on engaging in class warfare without getting called on it or stirring up a response from the classes that are losing .. the middle, working and poor. It may be true that one cannot be elected president in the US without at least claiming to be a Christian. But why the hell is Jillette critizing Obama for being a liar? Does he think some people never lie? Does he think we should be mindful of the ten commandments even if we deny the bible? What an asshole.

To learn what Obama really thinks about the place of religion in politics listen to his own words. Then give me a link to anything that gives you any reason to believe that Mitt has as nuanced a position. Any atheist who wants to argue that Obama shouldn't be elected because of his religious positions is not honest.

http://youtu.be/DOwzy-vKaFI

[cratehorus]

It shouldn't matter what a person's faith is. It should matter what laws will they change, repeal, or enact that would effect your lives negatively. Personally I think Obama believes in God MORE THAN Romney does. Romney I think uses his religion for personal gain, whether it's in business or, for his political career. However I think Romney would enact many religously biased laws and even re-write the 1st amendment if it benefited him politically in anyway........

[TaraJo]

Personally I think Obama believes in God MORE THAN Romney does.

I can't even say that much for sure. One of the things I've learned about Mormons is that they know their sect is unpopular enough that they don't talk about religion much in public. Mormons who are very religious are still very good at keeping their faith to themselves and it's entirely possible that Romney is deeply religious but he just doesn't talk about it.

[Napoléon]

On another thread I read here this morning I listened to the asshole Penn Jillette (who happens also to be an atheist) criticizing Obama for being either an idiot believer or a liar.

Unless you're referring to a different video than the one I posted, which isn't likely, Jillette wasn't calling Obama stupid, and he wasn't necessarily calling him a liar.

He said very frequently that he thought both candidates in the presidential race were very very intelligent, and he merely said that he hopes Obama is lying about his 'beliefs'.

However the main point he was trying to make (unless I missed something) was that it didn't fucking matter at all what a presidential candidate calls themselves, because they all have to use that magic word "Christian" in order to even have a chance of winning at all.

[Minimalist]

they all have to use that magic word "Christian"

And that is the real problem; far too many idiots in this country think that it means something.

[cratehorus]

they all have to use that magic word "Christian"

And that is the real problem; far too many idiots in this country think that it means something.

I would rather have a devout jew or muslim who believed in god, and solemnly celebrated every religous holiday and performed every religous ritual. Than an atheist who pretends to be christian and holds national prayer days, and tells people the USA was founded as a "christian" nation.

[TaraJo]

And that is the real problem; far too many idiots in this country think that it means something.

I would rather have a devout jew or muslim who believed in god, and solemnly celebrated every religous holiday and performed every religous ritual. Than an atheist who pretends to be christian and holds national prayer days, and tells people the USA was founded as a "christian" nation.

I'd rather have an elected leader who knows how to get the fucking job done, regardless of his religious beliefs.

[Minimalist]

And that is the real problem; far too many idiots in this country think that it means something.

I would rather have a devout jew or muslim who believed in god, and solemnly celebrated every religous holiday and performed every religous ritual. Than an atheist who pretends to be christian and holds national prayer days, and tells people the USA was founded as a "christian" nation.

See....I'll take the atheist who tells the idiots what they want to hear to get elected and doesn't waste his fucking time praying to some non-existent god or kneeling in some church.

We have real problems in this country and none of them will be solved by praying.

[cratehorus]

See....I'll take the atheist who tells the idiots what they want to hear to get elected and doesn't waste his fucking time praying to some non-existent god or kneeling in some church.

We have real problems in this country and none of them will be solved by praying.

I would take a christian socialist, over an atheist fascist anyday

[TaraJo]

See....I'll take the atheist who tells the idiots what they want to hear to get elected and doesn't waste his fucking time praying to some non-existent god or kneeling in some church.

We have real problems in this country and none of them will be solved by praying.

I would take a christian socialist, over an atheist fascist anyday

I'm still paying attention to the lesson the Republicans should have learned over the past few years.

Anyone want to remember the primary reason Bush won the Republican primary in 2000? It came down to him and McCain, but everyone saw him as a better Christian candidate. Know what happened? He fucked up big time.

Then in 2008, McCain got his second chance, but he had to get the Christian candidate for his running mate. Sarah Palin has been nothing but an embarrassment for the Republicans since and she's scaring away independent voters, the ones who decide elections.

This election Michelle Bachman was an early favorite and Santorum nearly won the nomination. Again, their primary credential is that they're good Christians, even if they've fucked up otherwise. This isn't anything new for them, either; anyone remember Dan Quayle? The man wasn't known for being the most intelligent guy out there but he was a heartbeat away from the most powerful office on earth. I fear to think what he would have done had he actually been president.

And on the other hand, Clinton talked about his religion a lot and went to church a lot and, yeah, he was deeply religious. Clinton was a great president and I honestly wish he could run again; I wouldn't hesitate to vote for him, religious or not.

The lesson is: don't pick a candidate based on their religious beliefs. A Christian who can do his fucking job and fix the problems our country is facing is a whole lot better than a clueless atheist.