Professor's Proposition: Only Two Logical Choices

[Minimalist]

One logical conclusion is to be an agnostic.

And the second logical conclusion is to be a Roman Catholic, believing everything the Roman Catholic Church teaches.

Hell, I was impressed with your old man right up to that point.

Anyone who cannot see that the church is nothing but a control mechanism really needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

My father had a Catholic father who really wasn't into it, and a mother who converted to Catholicism to marry my grandfather. But neither of them were much interested in religion.

Now I think your grandparents were a hell of a lot smarter.

[Mystic]

Blackrook, there is a lot of stuff that is properly basic beliefs that are reasonable without something else proving it.

Beliefs in the past, induction, belief in free-will, belief in objective morality, all these are properly basic. You cannot prove the past exists outside properly basic experience of your memory. Anything else will amount to circular reasoning. Induction is also properly basic.

If belief in God is properly basic, then whether it's true or not, isn't going to be determined by others for you. The truth lies within you. It's ok to take other opinions, but at the end, you are going to have to decide.

Being angry at atheists is not going to help you find peace with in, nor God (if he exists and is knowable) nor the truth (whatever it maybe).

[Annik]

[System of Solace]

[Annik]

[Blackrook]

Mathematics is defined by humans?

Wow, the ignorance of this statement is astounding.

I thought you atheists claimed to be logical thinkers and scientists.

But you think that mathematics is something subjectively defined by humans?

Wow.

I mean, wow.

What's the difference between ayard and a meter and how do we define that? How long is an inch? Why does + mean add? Why does 1 look like that rather than like this ~? We arbitrarily defined all of those things. Why do you think that someone could 'invent' calculus?

Mathematics is absolute truth.

Not even God could change mathematics, because God cannot make truth untrue any more than he could will himself out of existence.

Since God IS truth, you might even say that mathematics IS God.

[Annik]

[Darkstar]

Since God IS truth, you might even say that mathematics IS God.

Interesting...mathematics lie the framework for everything, and are the key to unlocking the secrets of the universe. Certain ancient cultures worshipped the sun as their god, which made at least a little sense because the sun is the only thing that has made life on earth possible. Mathematics as god, I wonder what sort of cult that could make...

[Blackrook]

Ha, ha, you guys complain about me pointing out that you act like uncivilized barbarians, and then you go and prove me right with blasphemous cartoons and, well, sorry you just lost the argument.

[Cato]

Mathematics is absolute truth.

Not even God could change mathematics, because God cannot make truth untrue any more than he could will himself out of existence.

Since God IS truth, you might even say that mathematics IS God.

Then quit fucking around and give me the mathematical proof of transubstantiation.