And We're Back ... Awe Hell

[Doubting_Thomas]

Intellectual curiosity aside, I don't really care so much whether the bible says hell or not, or even whether the pope now says it exists. The reality that bothers me is that so many Christians preach this nonsense to children and impressionable adults. Even the soft "absence of love" interpretation shows the cards of doctrine.

It's carrot and stick, guilt and hope. Powerful motivators to the mentally weak.

[Godscreated]

What about this:http://bible.org/article/what-bible-says-about-hell

250 posts!

What about it?
You gonna let someone tell you what's in the Bible when you can read and research for yourself?

Here's a hint: Find all the original words that were later translated into the English word "hell", then come back here like you have a legitimate rebuttal...

You said it yourself, we use the English word hell for the ancient words that represent that very place, so forget it and go on and grow up.

[Lion IRC]

Hell is surely voluntary. The gates of hell are locked from the inside.

Besides...

Chaff? Goats? Bundles of weeds? The occasional plucked out left eye?

How hot can the eternal unquenchable flames of hell be if they cant even disintegrate these once and for all?

[The Grand Nudger]

Good deal, looks like I'm not going then. Hopefully there's a third option as well, because the prospect of licking some assholes boot for eternity doesn't sound all that hot either.

[Something completely different]

Well if certain Individuals want to preach about hell or their imaginary torchurchamber so let them preach about it aslong as they dont troll other debates with it and distort these debates.

Let them have a own thread on wich they can preach about how we all suffer.
A preachers sucess depends on how many followers he can gain and how many people will bother listening to him.
So if you listen (actuay read) what he has to say, it`s your own fault.

If hell were real a preachers punishment would probably be lonlynes.

[Reforged]

Hell isn't in the Bible and if you've read the Bible for yourself, you'd know that it isn't even in there (the Bible)...

That, and even if you still say that "hell" is in there, it's NOT eternal.

(feel free to take the fundies' stance and try to convince me it's there...)

Ok, let me correct you.

Yes hell is in the Bible and yes in certain passages it is depicted as eternal.
You're talking shit. Do some research.

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Hell is surely voluntary. The gates of hell are locked from the inside.

Besides...

Chaff? Goats? Bundles of weeds? The occasional plucked out left eye?

How hot can the eternal unquenchable flames of hell be if they cant even disintegrate these once and for all?

... thats a joke, right? Please tell me thats a joke.
Because if its not that may well be the second dumbest thing I've ever seen anyone post.

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Good deal, looks like I'm not going then. Hopefully there's a third option as well, because the prospect of licking some assholes boot for eternity doesn't sound all that hot either.

I've got a solution;
Develop an S&M fetish.

[The Grand Nudger]

LOL, "develop"...... You know what turns me off about the whole S&M scene, all the damned ritual involved. Why you and your significant other can't just start swinging your mitts at each other and feel comfortable with the crowd has always eluded me.

[Cyberman]

Having never heard of this guy in my life, I present the following without permission:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-6kUexV55w?rel=0

Three guesses how many of our number will now comment and pass judgement on this without having watched it.

[Drich]

One of our not-so-esteemed members keeps sugar coating christianity's infamous Hell.

There isn't any sugar going onto anything. If the truth be known I am taking the reality of Hell, and placing the responsiablity of it squarly on your own shoulders and removing the victim status you have awarded yourself.

To me the reality that God is only honoring the desision you made through the course of your life takes the sugar off the whole idea that "I'm a moral person and only an immoral God would condemn me to Hell for all of the 'good' that I have done."

The reason you may ask? To save face. There's no way to defend such a self-absorbed vindictive narcissistic god while he's tossing people into hell by the billions. Even his own son, JC himself, speaks of hell over 70 times in the New Testament.

I have never denied the reality of Hell. Matter of fact I even posted of my experience there. Where i speak of the reality of the horrors and my interpertation of what the orginal language was not strong enough to convey. i have never soften the blow of Hell. I only put the responsiablity of it back onto those who choose it.

Why start this thread you may ask?
I'm really sick and tired of hearing christians continually tell me how their god is so full of love,

I did another thread explaining how this doctrine was wrong as well. That God did not love everyone equally and that his love was reserved to those who love Him. The rest He respects enough to honor what they have choosen for themselves.

and that it is I who is choosing to go to hell for the crime of being born.

If I remember correctly you have stated that you have choosen Hell because God was not up to your "Moral" standards.

...if you choose to separate yourself from God He will allow you to do so. You do not have to vilify God or 'break up' with Him. If you want to go then just go. or rather simply do not return home.
Hell is the absents of Creation. All that God created is what you have turned your back on. God didn't 'create' Hell. Hell is the Darkness in which Creation was call out from. It is the opposite of Creation and the furthest one can get from God.

One would have to be exceptionally impaired to buy this load of garbage.
As if being thrown into eternal torment can be compared to "not going home to god" or simply "breaking up." Bull shit. Jesus regularly threatens us with his daddy's hellfire.

Hell is emptyness. This emptyness this pitch dark tar like void consumes one like a fire would. meaning the panic and the emotional distress, the desperation to get away, all of the primal flight emotions magnified times 1000 is what it is like to be consumed by the nothingness. As you fall/tossed into this void and the light of creation dims you writhe in the nothingness being consumed by the pitch, you scream through your tightly chenched jaw at a frantic pace.(gnashing of teeth) Then you hear the screams and wails of the other members of Hell. just before the last light of creation is taken away, I realized that this panic this torment would be forever. Then the last little bit of creation is removed (your sanity or the ablity to maintain control over your own mind) and you are left as a primal scared frantic paniced lump...

I was pulled from this vision of Hell and was told that i would have my second chance, and that I only experienced what lies at the gates of hell, that their was much more to come.

Revelations 20:15 KJV
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Mark 9:40-48
And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 13:41-42 KJV
and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Luke 16:23-24
In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

Luke 16:27-28
“He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

God didn't 'create' Hell. Hell is the Darkness in which Creation was call out from.

Nope, your angry self-absorbed god built it and even most christians will cop to this fact.

Matthew 25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels

so how does any of this conflict with what I have told you?

My point here is I'm sick of hearing how full of love your god is and then trying to sell that by downplaying what your book of evil says about this "eternal separation."

Are you not eternally seperated from God in Hell?

Yes, you are not allowed to tell us we're going to hell, that's preaching, but don't sit here and use happy friendly words like "break up" and "no going home" just because you want to disguise the reality of who your god actually is ... a spoiled little boy with a flame thrower.

What i said was that you all seem to feel the need to break up with God. Meaning you want an emotionally justified arguement where you are left in a position of rightness. What I was saying is that you do not need to do this. Just spit in God's eye and stand on your convictions.

[Doubting_Thomas]

Drich, can I ask you: is that your personal interpretation of Christianity you are describing or the teachings of a specific offshoot?

Also, are you saying that you have lived through hell?