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Intelligent design: could we do better?
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
(October 9, 2012 at 6:10 pm)Haydn Wrote: Is it possible to genetically engineer a god? and would it be wierd if god then praised us? (the inferior creators)

Hmmm... no. What would happen is that it would destroy the creators then after various cycles of destroying all life for circular reasons one person would get an extremely suspect choice of three colour coded outcomes to resolve the situation.
Then I'd put a gun up to Casey Hudsons temple, pull the trigger, shoot his body a couple more times to be sure. Then I'd spit on him.
Then the credits would roll.

... I think I was thinking of an extremely traumatic event that had occurred in my life when typing that. Sorry.
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#32
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
(October 9, 2012 at 6:10 pm)Haydn Wrote: Is it possible to genetically engineer a god? and would it be wierd if god then praised us? (the inferior creators)

It may eventually rebel, like Ralph said.

I think an imperfect and inferior designer cannot create a perfect sentient being.
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#33
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
(October 9, 2012 at 4:39 pm)Napoléon Wrote: Maybe the imperfections are what makes it so perfect. Without the bad you wouldn't appreciate the good.


(Damn I sound like a christard)

It is entertaining to see a person so known to be intelligent as Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz, co-inventor of calculus, arguably the highest authority of his era on anything he could be bother to issue pronoucement upon, arguing much the same point.

And then see Voltaire skewer him like a bug in a specimen box for it.
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#34
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
I believe in intelligent design, just that I believe that without it things like jet engines wont work.
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#35
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
(October 9, 2012 at 5:39 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Human design flaws



They forgot the prostate. In the words of Jerry Coyne, “Only a moron would design a gland prone to swelling surrounding a collapsible pipe.”
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#36
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
(October 10, 2012 at 12:46 am)popeyespappy Wrote: They forgot the prostate. In the words of Jerry Coyne, “Only a moron would design a gland prone to swelling surrounding a collapsible pipe.”

I always thought it was a pretty significant design flaw that an orifice that expels germs in snot or sneezes is right over the orifice we use for eating and breathing. Wouldn't it be nice if we sneezed from a different part of our body so we don't sneeze on our food or so we don't drip snot on it when we have a cold?
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RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
(October 9, 2012 at 5:13 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote:
(October 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Is it just me, or is there anyone else here who thinks, if we had the opportunity, we could design things better than they currently are?

absolutly! I would seperate esophagus and airway entry so both no longer enter the body through mouth and nose, but have seperate entries to the body. Like a dolphine. Why suffercate on food? That`s stupid design!

So, for the smokers out there, you would have to stick the cig in your nose and then blow that smoke out of your nose, this way you do not get throat cancer, you get nose and sinus cancer and will have to have your nose removed, gooooood design.

Exactly how would one cough and get rid of the gunk that builds in the lungs when you get a cold, have pneumonia or anything that would cause congestion. Then that leads to how would one breath when their nose and sinuses are inflamed and stopped up.

Your design would make it difficult to scuba dive and snorkel, and when one drowns it would be impossible to cough up the water to be able to breath again, this would make drowning a death sentence no matter how the water gets into one's lungs and who would want to do mouth to nostril resuscitation, though I did once.

One problem with your design might not be to bad, we would not be able to talk, then we would not have words and we would not have to listen to your stupid idea of separating the esophagus and windpipe.

One could not run or do other strenuous activities, you can not take enough air into the lungs just through the nostrils, unless you want them to take up about half your face, I for one have a nose that is big enough.

I'm sure there are other reasons but I'll stop here.
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#38
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
The idea that there is a lot of "bad design" in the universe implies that you already know what the universe is designed it for.

Without knowing that, all of the points that the sun will eventually explode, most places are uninhabitable for human life, and that people get sick, etc. tell us very little about how good the design is. If the world isn't meant to be your personal paradise, for example, but there is a different function the designer had in mind, it may very well be that all of the anomalies we find in the universe are part of plan we just don't know anything about.
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#39
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
(October 9, 2012 at 4:32 pm)TaraJo Wrote: I always seem to think of this when I'm taking some kind of biology class.

Everyone here has heard of intelligent design, right? It's the idea that our bodies or sections of our bodies and the world or universe in general, it's the idea that they're so complicated but perfect that they couldn't possibly have come into being if not for some intelligent designer.

Know what I think of that? Yeah, well, since I think God is nothing more than an invisible friend in the sky, I think intelligent design is garbage. Mainly because I see so many flaws to the universe and, specifically, human beings, fragile creatures that we are. I mean, if this universe were created specifically for us, why are we only able to survive on a very small portion of it? We have to live on a planet with an atmosphere and it has to have a certain temperature range or we freeze or burn up. Even on that planet, we aren't designed to live on the great majority of the planet because we can't survive for very long in the ocean and the north and south poles both fall under that 'too cold' category.

Even within our own bodies, we're filled with ways we kill ourselves! I mean, think about it: How intelligent is it to create an immune system that can actually kill us with fever while it tries to fight off virus? How about allergies, where our immune system finds a mundane substance and interprets it as a foreign invader and sends our immune system into overdrive to try to fight it off? Because, y'know, cat dander, pollen and peanuts are dangerous things.

Is it just me, or is there anyone else here who thinks, if we had the opportunity, we could design things better than they currently are?

I am sorry but I hate the implication of the title of the thread "can we do better", which misses the point of why ID is wrong and ALLOWS their supporters the hollow argument "no you could not".

It doesn't matter what science discovers. Yes we can replicate celss and grow things like skin and clone a sheep.

But that doesn't change how stupid their dead "razor's edge" argument is. They constantly use stupid arguments like "this is pretty" and "it's too complex" to be an accedent.

Their argument has been around for almost a centery by different names and most of this bullshit started around the Scopes Monkey Trial.

Now this is quite easly debunked when you face these morons with the "disign" argument be it about the universe, or life.

"Disign" really? While true our planet is in an orbit with a sun the right size, funny how all the other planets in the solar system cannot support life. Funny how MOST of the universe is HOSTILE to life.

How about life? Men emit sperm from puberty to death, through ejackulation, masturbation, sex, and even when they pee. But most men in their lives only have on average 1-4 kids ON AVERAGE, and for each of those kids that ar born, there was only ONE sperm that made it, all the other millions of sperm in that load DIE and do nothing, and that is not all the sperm that die in the entierty of that one individuals life, multiply that by 7 billion. For the 7 billion that exist there are trillions of sperm that die, and that is not including all the humans prior.

Cockroaches outnumber humans. Bacteria outnumber humans. Eagles have better eyesight.

Ok, most of the universe is hostile to life. and for every attempt at life far more attempts fail.

Now, if one owns a factory, they build it and design it for MAXIMUM OUTPUT. So if everything is "designed" then why such the lousy output? No sane businessman who wants to manufacture any product would want such horrible flaws and production.

The explination for low output is simple, because that is what nature, nto magic does. People get fooled by the "abunance of life" forgetting that or ignorante of the fact that 99% of speices that once lived on this planet are now extinct.

If this fictional god were real and had to explain to Trump all that waste what do you think Trump would say?

(October 10, 2012 at 2:07 am)Godschild Wrote:
(October 9, 2012 at 5:13 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: absolutly! I would seperate esophagus and airway entry so both no longer enter the body through mouth and nose, but have seperate entries to the body. Like a dolphine. Why suffercate on food? That`s stupid design!

So, for the smokers out there, you would have to stick the cig in your nose and then blow that smoke out of your nose, this way you do not get throat cancer, you get nose and sinus cancer and will have to have your nose removed, gooooood design.

Exactly how would one cough and get rid of the gunk that builds in the lungs when you get a cold, have pneumonia or anything that would cause congestion. Then that leads to how would one breath when their nose and sinuses are inflamed and stopped up.

Your design would make it difficult to scuba dive and snorkel, and when one drowns it would be impossible to cough up the water to be able to breath again, this would make drowning a death sentence no matter how the water gets into one's lungs and who would want to do mouth to nostril resuscitation, though I did once.

One problem with your design might not be to bad, we would not be able to talk, then we would not have words and we would not have to listen to your stupid idea of separating the esophagus and windpipe.

One could not run or do other strenuous activities, you can not take enough air into the lungs just through the nostrils, unless you want them to take up about half your face, I for one have a nose that is big enough.

I'm sure there are other reasons but I'll stop here.
Yea our bodies are so well designed that the same tube we eat with we can choke with that same food and DIE. And that flap works so well it doesnt always prevent us from choking.

Oh and as Hitchens said in his speeches and in his book about the pathetic design argument "he put an entertainment center in the middle of a sewage system."

But even more rediculous than design is the claim that a non material invisible magical super brain is a posibility.

Both argument from design and invisible friends are nothing more than products of human imagination. Same credulity caused the Egyptions to incert their own god of the gaps by projecting it onto the sun.
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#40
RE: Intelligent design: could we do better?
Intelligent design, as someone above me said, is evident in jet engines and the other technological wonders conceived and produced by human beings.

An intelligent designer for the natural world? Hogwash. Every stray observable fact a deliberate design feature? Sure doesn't look that way.

The universe we observe looks like forces and properties expressing themselves so far as they can before bumping up against different forces and properties which impinge upon them. I see no creator behind that.
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