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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 4:11 pm
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How so? Many older religions have creation myths as well.
Drich Wrote:[quote=Darkstar] You would think that god would have chosne to reveal himself before paganism got popular. After all, worshiping him, rather than some pagan god, is one of the ten commandments (the first, in fact!). You would think it would have been a higher priority for him. Why are their other gods? Because like you not all men want to worship The God. They want to have a say in what is right and how they worship. With The God of the bible it is not possiable. So they create their own gods.
Uh...what? There are more evil gods than Yahweh out there. I am not asking why man created god, that much is clear, I'm asking why god waited millenia to correct them.
Timeline of religion
wikipedia Wrote:7500 - 5700 BCE The settlements of Catalhoyuk develop as a likely spiritual center of Anatolia. Possibly practicing worship in communal shrines, its inhabitants leave behind numerous clay figurines and impressions of phallic, feminine, and hunting scenes. wikipedia Wrote:2494 - 2345 BCE The first of the oldest surviving religious texts, the Pyramid Texts, are composed in Ancient Egypt. wikipedia Wrote:950 BCE The Torah begins to be written, the core texts of Judaism and foundation of later Abrahamic religions
The OT seems a little 'late to the party', wouldn't you say?
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 4:27 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm)Drich Wrote: Why are their other gods? Because like you not all men want to worship The God. They want to have a say in what is right and how they worship. With The God of the bible it is not possiable. So they create their own gods.
Other gods are created..of course, but not yours, oh no..he's "special". Actually, it isn't your god that's special, but the premise of your response (and this is why your response lacks credibility).
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 4:29 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 4:27 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (October 12, 2012 at 1:25 pm)Drich Wrote: Why are their other gods? Because like you not all men want to worship The God. They want to have a say in what is right and how they worship. With The God of the bible it is not possiable. So they create their own gods.
Other gods are created..of course, but not yours, oh no..he's "special". Actually, it isn't your god that's special, but the premise of your response (and this is why your response lacks credibility).
Care to demonstrate that your particular god has more evidence going for him? People rarely choose their religion; you get what you are born with. If you do convert, it is rarer still that it has anything to do with evidence; you just like their ideas better, as though you can choose what afterlife you get by believing hard enough in your chosen religion.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Quote: What I have offered here in this thread is a way to identify what God is offered you and an explaination as to how to be faithful to what has been given to you so you may be given more.
What you have offered is bullshit so silly that it must be making other "believers" cringe at your stupidity.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 7:49 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 3:11 pm)Drich Wrote: What I am saying is God always answers His children in the positive when they A/S/K.
Not true. Thousands upon hundreds of thousands of christians ( even clergy) have left the faith because your god does not answer jack shit.
Quote:However that does not mean a non believe is to be considered a child of God. As the story points out even just a 'neighbor' out of sheer persistence can Also obtain a measure of the Holy Spirit to find the 'proof' of God he is looking for.
Ask a muslim or a Hindu if they know god. The great majority of the time, they will say yes. "Finding proof" of the Holy Spirit means nothing as it is purely subjective and based in the perceptions of ones own mind. In other words ... morons, idiots, gullible fools.
Quote:What I have offered here in this thread is a way to identify what God is offered you and an explaination as to how to be faithful to what has been given to you so you may be given more.
What you've offered is the same old tired shit that every other religious bag of air offers: empty rhetoric about a god that doesn't exist and an escape from the finality of death. You're a good ole fashioned fear-monger poorly disguised as a greasy apologist. If jesus is real - he hates you by now.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 8:01 pm
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Gonna have to agree with Cinjinn on this one, I've always had this question of how it might feel if your followers insisted upon raping your corpse for about 2k years while you watched from the great beyond.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 8:22 pm
(October 12, 2012 at 3:28 pm)Faith No More Wrote: So, god is constrained by outside rules rendering him less than omnipotent. Now that we have that out in the open, do you have any proof that we are not robots?
God made ALL the rules! Look at it this way: We are spiritual seedlings growing to a full reunion with God! Or NOT!
And FREE WILL means it's of our own accord! If we were robots, we would have no choices to be Christian or Atheists!
The Israelites ate food from God in the desert...yet they still fashioned a false god! Does this sound like their one God was making decisions for them?
FREE WILL condemned us from the beginning...but it had to happen that way!
Think about this: How could God possibly give "us" His Divinity w/o having to worship us?
If indeed we can perfect our lives, like & through Jesus' demonstration of Love and Faith without seeing Him...We then become worthy of ALL He has to give us!
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 8:25 pm
So in one thread we have a Christian arguing that we have free will, and in another thread we have another Christian arguing that we don't have free will. So much for the Bible being clear and straightforward!
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 8:33 pm
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 12, 2012 at 9:15 pm
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(October 12, 2012 at 8:22 pm)ronedee Wrote: And FREE WILL means it's of our own accord! If we were robots, we would have no choices to be Christian or Atheists!
The Israelites ate food from God in the desert...yet they still fashioned a false god! Does this sound like their one God was making decisions for them?
Where does it say that, the bible? Because a 3000+ year old thirdhand account that has been retranslated several times (multiple times in the same language, even) is a very reliable historical document.
rondee Wrote:FREE WILL condemned us from the beginning...but it had to happen that way!
Think about this: How could God possibly give "us" His Divinity w/o having to worship us?
If indeed we can perfect our lives, like & through Jesus' demonstration of Love and Faith without seeing Him...We then become worthy of ALL He has to give us!
"I Hid My Face From Them...For But A Moment."
Why 'without seeing him'? Who would worship something that didn't exist? Here's an idea: You go and pray to every god that has ever been created. Make a list, and spend one day praying only to one god, and then the next day move to the next god. When you are done, see which day was the best and which god you prayed to and viola! You've just found the One True Faith™! Just have a little faith, what's the worst that could happen? /sarcasm
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