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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 21, 2012 at 11:17 pm
(October 21, 2012 at 11:12 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (October 21, 2012 at 11:09 pm)Drich Wrote: Good question! So I ask you, why the double standard? I have no issue to defaulting to my faith. I have answered many questions in this thread "Because God said so." Your counter part more so than you have slamed Christians for their faiths, and yet has defaulted to 'faith' when the evidence and proof you all seem to worship abandons you.
Agree that is why I have ended each post discussing this fact with this very sentiment.
Yeah, so...I'm not defaulting to faith, then. I'm simply saying that we have Roman writings of the era, but none show Jesus as having done any miracles, even the dead people walking the streets is not mentioned. I say we cannot know that the documents showing this never existed, but it would, at the very least be illogical to say they did when no evidence suggests this.
No one has said anything like this.
The arguement is: "If these things happened then why didn't Rome record them?" The Arguement is How do we know Rome did not record these events? We do not have a complete record of Rome's day to day archive during that time period for that region.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm
(October 21, 2012 at 11:17 pm)Drich Wrote: No one has said anything like this.
The arguement is: "If these things happened then why didn't Rome record them?" The Arguement is How do we know Rome did not record these events? We do not have a complete record of Rome's day to day archive during that time period for that region.
The fact I am trying to highlight is that the dead rising and walking the streets is not a 'day to day' event, but something that would definitely have been noted. Why would such significant documents disappear when lesser ones did not?
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 21, 2012 at 11:44 pm
(October 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm)Darkstar Wrote: (October 21, 2012 at 11:17 pm)Drich Wrote: No one has said anything like this.
The arguement is: "If these things happened then why didn't Rome record them?" The Arguement is How do we know Rome did not record these events? We do not have a complete record of Rome's day to day archive during that time period for that region.
The fact I am trying to highlight is that the dead rising and walking the streets is not a 'day to day' event, but something that would definitely have been noted. Why would such significant documents disappear when lesser ones did not?
Again who's to say they didn't?
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 21, 2012 at 11:54 pm
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(October 21, 2012 at 11:44 pm)Drich Wrote: (October 21, 2012 at 11:22 pm)Darkstar Wrote: The fact I am trying to highlight is that the dead rising and walking the streets is not a 'day to day' event, but something that would definitely have been noted. Why would such significant documents disappear when lesser ones did not?
Again who's to say they didn't?
No one says they know they didn't, it is just unlikely. Therefore it is unlikely that the Romans wrote anything about a divine Jesus, but we cannot prove a negative in this case. Just wondering, aren't you using an argument that could defend the incomplete fossil record? (Noting that the fossil record is more complete than this and that I think you accept evolution, but some too many [at least in America] theists don't)
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 22, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Just read the last coupla pages of this thread. Am I missing something? Seems like nothing but an argument from silence.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 22, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Arguments from silence aren't fallacious if based on your premise you would expect to have heard or read something.
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"The lord doesn't work in mysterious ways, but in ways that are indistinguishable from his nonexistence."
-- George Yorgo Veenhuyzen quoted by John W. Loftus in The End of Christianity (p. 103).
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Pliny the Elder....Natural History. Pliny died in 79 AD at the eruption of Vesuvius.
Chapter 7
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text...apter%3D53
Quote:CHAP. 53. (52.)—PERSONS WHO HAVE COME TO LIFE AGAIN AFTER BEING LAID OUT FOR BURIAL.
Nope. No "jesus."
P.S. - There is nothing wrong with an argument from silence. All it means is that there is no evidence to back up your position. Unlike you, we are perfectly willing to change our position if sufficient evidence is presented.
There is no evidence at all for Martians attacking Pittsburgh in 1883. That does not mean that it happened.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 22, 2012 at 3:00 pm
(October 22, 2012 at 2:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: There is no evidence at all for Martians attacking Pittsburgh in 1883. That does not mean that it happened. I'm sorry, I just had to say you got kudos!!
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 22, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Has Drich invented a new gap for his god?
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: Ask, Seek, Knock
October 22, 2012 at 3:17 pm
(October 22, 2012 at 3:04 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Has Drich invented a new gap for his god?
What about the one between his ears?
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