Failed Biblical Prophecies

[Drich]

But the city is still there.

No it is not.

The city Ezk cursed is gone. Does you faith blind you to that point? or do you just need to have the last word, and that is why you keep repeating a failed arguement?

[Darkstar]

But the city is still there.

No it is not.

The city Ezk cursed is gone. Does you faith blind you to that point? or do you just need to have the last word, and that is why you keep repeating a failed arguement?

The ruins are still there. It was written that the city would be sought, but never found. We found it. Would you care to dodge this point again?

[Drich]

No it is not.

The city Ezk cursed is gone. Does you faith blind you to that point? or do you just need to have the last word, and that is why you keep repeating a failed arguement?

The ruins are still there. It was written that the city would be sought, but never found. We found it. Would you care to dodge this point again?

I think you have confused yourself. Read the prophesy again:
19 “For thus says the Lord God: ‘When I make you a desolate city, like cities that are not inhabited, when I bring the deep upon you, and great waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who descend into the Pit, to the people of old, and I will make you dwell in the lowest part of the earth, in places desolate from antiquity, with those who go down to the Pit, so that you may never be inhabited; and I shall establish glory in the land of the living. 21 I will make you a terror, and you shall be no more; though you are sought for, you will never be found again,’ says the Lord God.”

What has been cast down into the 'pit' Is it inhabited? a simple Yes or No will do.

[Darkstar]

I think you have confused yourself. Read the prophesy again:
19 “For thus says the Lord God: ‘When I make you a desolate city, like cities that are not inhabited, when I bring the deep upon you, and great waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who descend into the Pit, to the people of old, and I will make you dwell in the lowest part of the earth, in places desolate from antiquity, with those who go down to the Pit, so that you may never be inhabited; and I shall establish glory in the land of the living. 21 I will make you a terror, and you shall be no more; though you are sought for, you will never be found again,’ says the Lord God.”

What has been cast down into the 'pit' Is it inhabited? a simple Yes or No will do.

1.At least part of the city is underwater. Is that a pit?
2.That part of the city is not inhabited.

There are still two major problems with the prophecy.
First: Ezekeil 26:7-18

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For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar[b] king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army. 8 He will ravage your settlements on the mainland with the sword; he will set up siege works against you, build a ramp up to your walls and raise his shields against you. 9 He will direct the blows of his battering rams against your walls and demolish your towers with his weapons. 10 His horses will be so many that they will cover you with dust. Your walls will tremble at the noise of the warhorses, wagons and chariots when he enters your gates as men enter a city whose walls have been broken through. 11 The hooves of his horses will trample all your streets; he will kill your people with the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. 12 They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea. 13 I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music of your harps will be heard no more. 14 I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord.

15 “This is what the Sovereign Lord says to Tyre: Will not the coastlands tremble at the sound of your fall, when the wounded groan and the slaughter takes place in you? 16 Then all the princes of the coast will step down from their thrones and lay aside their robes and take off their embroidered garments. Clothed with terror, they will sit on the ground, trembling every moment, appalled at you. 17 Then they will take up a lament concerning you and say to you:


“‘How you are destroyed, city of renown,
peopled by men of the sea!
You were a power on the seas,
you and your citizens;
you put your terror
on all who lived there.
18 Now the coastlands tremble
on the day of your fall;
the islands in the sea
are terrified at your collapse.’

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This did not happen. The consumtion by waves was to occur after the city was ruined by Nebuchadnezzer, which never happened.

The second problem is that the prophecy says Tyre will never be found: Ezekiel 26:19-21

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19 “This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I make you a desolate city, like cities no longer inhabited, and when I bring the ocean depths over you and its vast waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place[c] in the land of the living. 21 I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign Lord.”

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It has been found, so this part is also untrue.

[Minimalist]

But the city is still there.

No it is not.

The city Ezk cursed is gone. Does you faith blind you to that point? or do you just need to have the last word, and that is why you keep repeating a failed arguement?

Yes it is, shithead.

Remember...you supplied a photo of it yourself.

Really. How fucking stupid are you? Why does your god need you to explain his fuck-ups. Tyre exists. It has never not existed since it was first built. Like Damascus.... another yahweh fuck-up...it has been conquered but never destroyed. Both sites are simply far too valuable pieces of real estate for any conqueror to destroy.

Give it up already. You are making yourself look like a bigger asshole every time you open your mouth.

A large sign which marks the ancient city of Tyre as protected cultural property according to the 1954 Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict

[Drich]

[1.At least part of the city is underwater. Is that a pit?

The Pit is bowr in the orginal Hebrew it means a cistern, Well, (Hole with water at the bottom)

2.That part of the city is not inhabited.

No part of the old city is inhabited. The northern part of the sea port is where the new city sits.

There are still two major problems with the prophecy.
First: Ezekeil 26:7-18

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For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar[b] king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army. 8 He will ravage your settlements on the mainland with the sword; he will set up siege works against you, build a ramp up to your walls and raise his shields against you. 9 He will direct the blows of his battering rams against your walls and demolish your towers with his weapons. 10 His horses will be so many that they will cover you with dust. Your walls will tremble at the noise of the warhorses, wagons and chariots when he enters your gates as men enter a city whose walls have been broken through. 11 The hooves of his horses will trample all your streets; he will kill your people with the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. 12 They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea. 13 I will put an end to your noisy songs, and the music of your harps will be heard no more. 14 I will make you a bare rock, and you will become a place to spread fishnets. You will never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken, declares the Sovereign Lord.

15 “This is what the Sovereign Lord says to Tyre: Will not the coastlands tremble at the sound of your fall, when the wounded groan and the slaughter takes place in you? 16 Then all the princes of the coast will step down from their thrones and lay aside their robes and take off their embroidered garments. Clothed with terror, they will sit on the ground, trembling every moment, appalled at you. 17 Then they will take up a lament concerning you and say to you:


“‘How you are destroyed, city of renown,
peopled by men of the sea!
You were a power on the seas,
you and your citizens;
you put your terror
on all who lived there.
18 Now the coastlands tremble
on the day of your fall;
the islands in the sea
are terrified at your collapse.’

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This did not happen. The consumtion by waves was to occur after the city was ruined by Nebuchadnezzer, which never happened.

alexander the Great came after Nebuchadnezzer, so the consumption of tyre did indeed come after "Neb" destroyed the city the first time.

The second problem is that the prophecy says Tyre will never be found: Ezekiel 26:19-21

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19 “This is what the Sovereign Lord says: When I make you a desolate city, like cities no longer inhabited, and when I bring the ocean depths over you and its vast waters cover you, 20 then I will bring you down with those who go down to the pit, to the people of long ago. I will make you dwell in the earth below, as in ancient ruins, with those who go down to the pit, and you will not return or take your place[c] in the land of the living. 21 I will bring you to a horrible end and you will be no more. You will be sought, but you will never again be found, declares the Sovereign Lord.”

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It has been found, so this part is also untrue.
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This part of the Prophecy is describing a very specificly describing Old tyre. All of it is at the bottom of the sea.

Understand we are talking about 3 cities. Old tyre that Ezk condemned, Tyre that existed at the time of Christ or the Roman ruled/built (which the ruins can still be found) and New Tyre the modern city that was built on the causeway created by the sea currents depositing sand on the ruins of Old tyre that Alexander the great cast into the sea trying to reach the Old sea port of tyre. New development can also be found on northern most part of the pensula.

Old Tyre was completely taken down brick by brick as the Prophecy descibes and thrown into the sea by alexander the great. They made a causeway from the stones that were once made up the old city of tyre. They did this so they could march out and attack the sea port. The thing is they did not have enough material to reach the seaport of tyre Even after they took every stone that was old tyre and cast it into the sea. (which contained the majority of the well to do residents of Old Tyre and was where they stored all their valuables while under the threat of attack) So it was a vauable target. That is why one of Alexander the Great's generals reattacked the seaport after he died. The reason Old tyre was never rebuilt on it's orginal foundations was because better ground (harder to attack was located just north of the old cities location on the main land.) This was used by the Romans to build the existing ruins. In more modern times the Cause way was used to build what is considered Tyre now.

That said, you need to admit that OLD Tyre Ezk's Tyre is completely gone cast into the sea and has never been found. Just as the Prophecy said it was.

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No it is not.

The city Ezk cursed is gone. Does you faith blind you to that point? or do you just need to have the last word, and that is why you keep repeating a failed arguement?

Yes it is, shithead.

Remember...you supplied a photo of it yourself.

Really. How fucking stupid are you? Why does your god need you to explain his fuck-ups. Tyre exists. It has never not existed since it was first built. Like Damascus.... another yahweh fuck-up...it has been conquered but never destroyed. Both sites are simply far too valuable pieces of real estate for any conqueror to destroy.

Give it up already. You are making yourself look like a bigger asshole every time you open your mouth.

A large sign which marks the ancient city of Tyre as protected cultural property according to the 1954 Hague Convention for the Protection of Cultural Property in the Event of Armed Conflict

Holy crap do you not understand that the ruins are not Ezk's tyre? Are you being obstinate or did you not even read any of the links I have provided describing the different encarnation of this city?

Your own wiki artical describes the complete destruction of Ezk's tyre by alexander the great.
This is a link to national geographic's website Identifying the roman incarnation of tyre:
http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/tra...on-photos/
This shows "New tyre" built on the causeway created by the destruction of Old Tyre.
http://www.lgic.org/en/photos3_tyre.php

Look at the photo of the causeway to the right is where Ezk's tyre existed to the left is where Rome built it's incarnation of the city and the new city is obviously in the middle.

If I were like you this is where I would be calling you names. Maybe in the future we can have a discussion without the name calling. I believe you to be at least 10 to 20 years my senior. If I can refrain from belittling you when I have the chance, I am sure it is well with in your ablity to do the same for me. Or if you perfer I can rebuke a older man harshly every time the oppertunity presents itself.

[Darkstar]

This part of the Prophecy is describing a very specificly describing Old tyre. All of it is at the bottom of the sea.

Understand we are talking about 3 cities. Old tyre that Ezk condemned, Tyre that existed at the time of Christ or the Roman ruled/built (which the ruins can still be found) and New Tyre the modern city that was built on the causeway created by the sea currents depositing sand on the ruins of Old tyre that Alexander the great cast into the sea trying to reach the Old sea port of tyre. New development can also be found on northern most part of the pensula.

Old Tyre was completely taken down brick by brick as the Prophecy descibes and thrown into the sea by alexander the great. They made a causeway from the stones that were once made up the old city of tyre. They did this so they could march out and attack the sea port. The thing is they did not have enough material to reach the seaport of tyre Even after they took every stone that was old tyre and cast it into the sea. (which contained the majority of the well to do residents of Old Tyre and was where they stored all their valuables while under the threat of attack) So it was a vauable target. That is why one of Alexander the Great's generals reattacked the seaport after he died. The reason Old tyre was never rebuilt on it's orginal foundations was because better ground (harder to attack was located just north of the old cities location on the main land.) This was used by the Romans to build the existing ruins. In more modern times the Cause way was used to build what is considered Tyre now.

"From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army....They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea." ...Nebuchadnezzar did not do this. It did not say simply that Nebechadnezzar would attack and later the city would be consumed, it said that Nebuchadnezzar's men would send it into the sea themselves.

That said, you need to admit that OLD Tyre Ezk's Tyre is completely gone cast into the sea and has never been found. Just as the Prophecy said it was.

Uh huh... but didn't you say:

This part of the Prophecy is describing a very specificly describing Old tyre. All of it is at the bottom of the sea.

Now how would we know where it was if we never found it? Do you have a different definition of the word 'found' than the one in the dictionary?

Are you being obstinate or did you not even read any of the links I have provided describing the different encarnation of this city?

I don't recall any links. I'll look again...
EDIT: Couldn't find any links about Tyre in your previous posts.

[Minimalist]

Holy crap do you not understand that the ruins are not Ezk's tyre?

There is only one Tyre, Dickhead. It has a longer history than your fucking jerusalem.... which was destroyed in 135 and rebuilt as Aelia Capitolina by Hadrian and subsequently renamed "jerusalem" by shits who are every bit as fucked up as you.

Besdies, your fucking "god" said it would never be found again and he is obviously wrong since even you found it.....the rest of us knew it was never gone.

Reality 1
god 0

Get over it, boy. Your god is a fucking loser.

[Darkstar]

Found it. (No pun intended)
http://phoenicia.org/cities.html

Tyre was a major Phoenician seaport from about 2000 BC onwards through the Roman period.

For much of the 8th and 7th centuries the town was subject to Assyria, and in 585-573 it successfully withstood a prolonged siege by the Babylonian King Nebuchadrezzar II.

The silted up harbour on the south side of the peninsula has been excavated by the French Institute for Archaeology in the Near East, but most of the remains of the Phoenician period still lie beneath the present town.

Thus, it has been found!

[Drich]

"From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army....They will plunder your wealth and loot your merchandise; they will break down your walls and demolish your fine houses and throw your stones, timber and rubble into the sea."

Out Of Context Cherry Picking!!!!

3 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: ‘Behold, I am against you, O Tyre, and will cause many nations to come up against you, as the sea causes its waves to come up. 4 And they shall destroy the walls of Tyre and break down her towers; I will also scrape her dust from her, and make her like the top of a rock. 5 It shall be a place for spreading nets in the midst of the sea, for I have spoken,’ says the Lord God; ‘it shall become plunder for the nations. 6 Also her daughter villages which are in the fields shall be slain by the sword. Then they shall know that I am the Lord.’
7 “For thus says the Lord God: ‘Behold, I will bring against Tyre from the north Nebuchadnezzar[a] king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses, with chariots, and with horsemen, and an army with many people. 8 He will slay with the sword your daughter villages in the fields; he will heap up a siege mound against you, build a wall against you, and raise a defense against you. 9 He will direct his battering rams against your walls, and with his axes he will break down your towers. 10 Because of the abundance of his horses, their dust will cover you; your walls will shake at the noise of the horsemen, the wagons, and the chariots, when he enters your gates, as men enter a city that has been breached. 11 With the hooves of his horses he will trample all your streets; he will slay your people by the sword, and your strong pillars will fall to the ground. 12 They will plunder your riches and pillage your merchandise; they will break down your walls and destroy your pleasant houses; they will lay your stones, your timber, and your soil in the midst of the water. 13 I will put an end to the sound of your songs, and the sound of your harps shall be heard no more. 14 I will make you like the top of a rock; you shall be a place for spreading nets, and you shall never be rebuilt, for I the Lord have spoken,’ says the Lord God.
...Nebuchadnezzar did not do this. It did not say simply that Nebechadnezzar would attack and later the city would be consumed, it said that Nebuchadnezzar's men would send it into the sea themselves.

Verse 3 Ezk speaks of a "Great many Nations."

Verse 7 God Speaks of One of these nations and refers to them as Nebuchadnezzar and refers to this whole nation in the first person singular. "He." This is consistant with everything that has been attributed to Babylon. So from 7 to verse 12 God is giving a description of what babylon will be responsiable for. we know this to be true because again Babylon is refered to as "he," or rather King Nebuchadnezzar. Everything from 7 to 12 did infact come to pass under the leadership of Nebuchadnezzar.

After verse 12 and forward Ezk refers to the invading armies as "they." They has been seperated from "he." They refers to the 'Many nations' gunning for tyre as verse 3 identifies. We know know "they" means the Greeks under Alexander the Great.
You do not find it the least bit remarkable that absolutely everything that was said has come true? Even if you are confused about who did what, it is still an absolute wonder and the details of where and what happen to the city are accurate.

Now how would we know where it was if we never found it? Do you have a different definition of the word 'found' than the one in the dictionary?

We know where it is because the tides have dumped trillions of tons of sand on the remains of Old Tyre causeing the 'land bridge' to permentally connect the Port island of Tyre to the Main land of what is now known as Lebanon.

It is considered Lost because no man has laid eyes on a single stone of that city for 3000 years. If not for the sand that created the causeway Old tyre would have been dismissed as myth.
Which coinsides with the Hebrew defination of the word we translated into 'found.'
matsa'

1) to be found

a) to be encountered, be lighted upon, be discovered

b) to appear, be recognised

c) to be discovered, be detected

d) to be gained, be secured

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Holy crap do you not understand that the ruins are not Ezk's tyre?

There is only one Tyre, Dickhead. It has a longer history than your fucking jerusalem.... which was destroyed in 135 and rebuilt as Aelia Capitolina by Hadrian and subsequently renamed "jerusalem" by shits who are every bit as fucked up as you.

Besdies, your fucking "god" said it would never be found again and he is obviously wrong since even you found it.....the rest of us knew it was never gone.

Reality 1
god 0

Get over it, boy. Your god is a fucking loser.

(you/ how I picture you preaching from your faith dispite what the actual facts say.) Don't let me see you hypocritally call another out on their faith despite what the 'facts' may say. For here in this instance you are guilty of this very same thing!