Failed Biblical Prophecies

[YahwehIsTheWay]

Meh, Min you are using that logic again. You have to understand the power of faith. Consider this passage from another book, George Orwell's, 1984:

Anything could be true. The so-called laws of Nature were nonsense. The law of gravity was nonsense. 'If I wished,' O'Brien had said, 'I could float off this floor like a soap bubble.' Winston worked it out. 'If he thinks he floats off the floor, and if I simultaneously think I see him do it, then the thing happens.' Suddenly, like a lump of submerged wreckage breaking the surface of water, the thought burst into his mind: 'It doesn't really happen. We imagine it. It is hallucination.' He pushed the thought under instantly. The fallacy was obvious. It presupposed that somewhere or other, outside oneself, there was a 'real' world where 'real' things happened. But how could there be such a world? What knowledge have we of anything, save through our own minds? All happenings are in the mind. Whatever happens in all minds, truly happens.

In other words, "There is no Tyre! There is no Tyre! I'm not listening!"



That's why logical arguments and evidence bounce off the heads of men of faith like Drich and me. Faith is believing things without evidence and despite all evidence.

[Drich]

Darkstar, the problem is you and Min are reading the Bible with your sinful eyes.

Fuck the fucking bible, Yourway. I'm looking at a fucking photo of modern fucking Tyre after his fucking god said no one would ever fucking find it again and I fucking found it.

Fuck, exekiel and the rest of those phony con men.

The present-day city of Tyre covers a large part of the original island and has expanded onto and covers most of the causeway, which had increased greatly in width over the centuries because of extensive silt depositions on either side. The part of the original island that is not covered by the modern city of Tyre consists mostly of an archaeological site showcasing remains of the city from ancient times.

Wiki.


I mean we can argue about a lot of things but the FUCKING CITY IS STILL THERE. At some point Drippy is going to have to face FACTS and understand that his fucking bible is fucking bullshit!

If you read the same wiki artical as I did Minnie you know that tyer was orginally a city divided into two parts. One of the main land and the second on an island (which was little more than a sea port at the time of the prophesy.) The Island which is now a pensula because of Alexander the great who destroyed the city and tore it and the cities great walls down to build a causeway across the sea to attack it. Which changed the tital currents enough for the sea to deposit sand on the debris of the old city causing the materials to be consumed by the sea.

(which by the way completely full fills this prophesy in that:12 And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water.13 And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard.14 And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the Lord have spoken it, saith the Lord God.)

Lookslike someone else has to 'face facts' and read the rest of the wiki artical a little more closly.

[FallentoReason]

The thing I don't get about prophecy and Jesus Christ supposedly being the answer to over 300 of them or w/e is the nature of Jesus himself. Christians take pride in that Jesus was supposed to be some sort of leader to the Jews but instead he's this criminal that gets executed in the end. So... why did YHWH describe the messiah to the Jews in one way but in "reality" it happens differently? Jesus completely failed because Jews won't accept that he is the messiah. Nice one God, why would you make Jesus act differently to how he was described? It's as if you wanted Christianity to be this religion that hijacked something completely unrelated!

[Minimalist]

The city is still there, shithead.

Your god fucked up.

Deal with it.


BTW, did you know that even your fucking "jesus" went there. Quite a trick for a city which was destroyed never to be found again, eh?

[YahwehIsTheWay]

BTW, did you know that even your fucking "jesus" went there. Quite a trick for a city which was destroyed never to be found again, eh?

Just goes to show you how anything is possible for Jesus. That's also how he was born before 4 BC and after 6 AD at the same time.

According to the Gospel of John, Jesus got himself crucified several years before John the Baptist's arrest and execution, which Matt, Mark and Luke all say happened prior to the kickoff of Jesus' ministry.

Time and space do not apply to matters of faith.

Glory!

[Darkstar]

[Godscreated]

[Minimalist]

Just goes to show you how anything is possible for Jesus. That's also how he was born before 4 BC and after 6 AD at the same time.

I wasn't even going to go there, Chief....didn't want to be responsible for drippy's head exploding and messing up his carpet or something. But you're right. The asswipes who wrote this holy horseshit did a piss poor job of getting their story straight.

And poor little drippy has to tie his balls into a knot trying to pretend that it is all somehow true.

But I'll keep kicking the "tyres" for a while....a little British humour for our cousins across the pond!

[Drich]

So... why did YHWH describe the messiah to the Jews in one way but in "reality" it happens differently?

I think this question sums up 99% of the problems people have with God.

God describes something, and 'we' have an idea of how that something is supposed to play out or how God is supposed to make something happen like with Christ.

So what is the problem? Is it the fact that God has described something wrong? No! It is the pride that man has to think his understanding of anything is or should be the bench mark. Rather than say hey, God said X but I understand X to look like Y so when I see X rather than Y it is God (or the Lack of God) that has me experience X rather than the Y I was looking for. Why can 'we' admit when we are wrong that we do not always know how things are going to play out?

For instance the Jews were looking for a litteral savior to free them not from sin but from Rome. They were looking for the God version of King David. Did God promise this? No He promised a freedom that would set all of man kind free. But rather than keep an open mind and an open heart they were looking for Y. When X came along they could not accept that their expectation could possiable be wrong. So the denied X and are still waiting for Y.

Sound familiar? The majority of the questions and challenges I get from you people is because you like the Jews are expecting Y when God is offering X, and you can not be convinced otherwise that you in your rebellion against God and all of Creation may possiably be expecting the wrong things from what God has promised. This is why I have to spend the majority of my time trying to help you all redefine what you think you know of God. For bottom line if you are expecting Y and have not received it then know Y has not been offered no matter what you have been told or no matter what you think you know. I and millions like me know of the X God offers and can share it if you will only let go of the Y you think you are entitled to.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

So... why did YHWH describe the messiah to the Jews in one way but in "reality" it happens differently?

I think this question sums up 99% of the problems people have with God.

God describes something, and 'we' have an idea of how that something is supposed to play out or how God is supposed to make something happen like with Christ.
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Perfectly reasonable. You come up with a hypothesis (God exists), you make predictions about what you would expect if the hypothesis were true, and if the predictions don't come true, you throw the hypothesis out.