Failed Biblical Prophecies

[Drich]

What is important is not what happened to Tyre or how permanent it is. What is important is that no evidence exists that Yahweh had anything to do with it.

Biblical assertions are evidence of nothing except that some barely literate half-wit thought God made it happen because he doesn't know how cities get destroyed.

It's funny how for 13 pages the destruction of Tyre and how permanent it was, was of the paramount importance, but when the 'Failed bible prophecies.com' arguement fails itself 50 different ways, all of the sudden nothing being argued is of any real importance.

Now 'proof' is the bench mark.. Well, that is what a prophecy is. It's proof that the God one (Ezekiel) is repersenting is legit. (That is why your peers have been desperatly trying to proove the prophecy wrong.)

[Minimalist]

Why would god need to manipulate mortal armies when he could do it himself?

Even the fucking bible itself portrays its "god" as an aging mafia don who can't handle the hard work himself and has to hire hitmen.

Sad when gods get old, isn't it?

[Darkstar]

It's funny how for 13 pages the destruction of Tyre and how permanent it was, was of the paramount importance, but when the 'Failed bible prophecies.com' arguement fails itself 50 different ways, all of the sudden nothing being argued is of any real importance.

Now 'proof' is the bench mark.. Well, that is what a prophecy is. It's proof that the God one (Ezekiel) is repersenting is legit. (That is why your peers have been desperatly trying to proove the prophecy wrong.)

Well, first of all, what is considered destruction? Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed by nuclear weapons; an attack more akin to what one might expect from a vengeful omnipotent being. Yet, these cities have been rebuilt, and are still called by their original names. The bible says that Nebuchadnezzar would ruin the city, but the one to do it was Alexander the great. It said the city wouldn't ever be found, but we have found it; even if we haven't excavated the city former. The point he was making was that even if we overlooked all of these flaws, this prophecy would still in no way prove that god had anything to do with the destruction of the Phonecian version of Tyre.

[Minimalist]

It's funny how for 13 pages the destruction of Tyre and how permanent it was

Um, that was YOUR position, stupid. The rest of us understand that Tyre was not "destroyed" by your fucking god or anyone else. Too valuable a port to lose.

As noted. It was not destroyed. It did not sink beneath the waves. It has been repeatedly rebuilt. It has been found and it still exists.

Keep being an asshole, drippy. It suits you.

[Drich]

[quote='Darkstar' pid='355709' dateline='1351540073']
[quote]Well, first of all, what is considered destruction? Hiroshima and Nagasaki were destroyed by nuclear weapons; an attack more akin to what one might expect from a vengeful omnipotent being. Yet, these cities have been rebuilt, and are still called by their original names. The bible says that Nebuchadnezzar would ruin the city, but the one to do it was Alexander the great. [/quote] Actually Nebuchadnezzar did ruin the city. He killed the men and enslaved the women and children. His army occupied the main land city for 13 years. I don't know if you saw and pictures of our occupation of Iraq but in Sadam's personal homes in the 6 to 9 months they were occupied by our forces, they were not well cared for, and we considered ourselves a 'civial' occupying force. Now put 20,000 men in a place they do not want to be for 13 years with no care or respect for the place or the people keeping them their.. and you might have a little bit of an understanding as to why the people of Tyre never rebuilt the main land city. It remained in ruins till Alexander took the rubble of the city and cast it into the sea. Thus full filling the Prophecy.

[quote]It said the city wouldn't ever be found, but we have found it; even if we haven't excavated the city former. [/quote]'We' haven't found anything. We think we know where it is according to works of ancient historeans.

[quote]The point he was making was that even if we overlooked all of these flaws, this prophecy would still in no way prove that god had anything to do with the destruction of the Phonecian version of Tyre.[/quote]It's this your thread? Isn't your thread about failed prophecies? What is the point of trying to prove a fail prophecy if God is not tied to the events? Why did you spend 13 pages desperatly trying to defend the idea this prophecy was not full filled, if it has nothing to do with proving God had anything to do with the events?

Your a rat leaving a sinking ship.

[Darkstar]

It's this your thread? Isn't your thread about failed prophecies? What is the point of trying to prove a fail prophecy if God is not tied to the events? Why did you spend 13 pages desperatly trying to defend the idea this prophecy was not full filled, if it has nothing to do with proving God had anything to do with the events?

Your a rat leaving a sinking ship.

Uhh...I never said god did it, you did. If I can prove it didn't happen the way it was written, I can prove that god was not responsible, as he does not make mistakes. How am I the desperate one? You go so far as to redefine the word 'found' as 'excavate'. The fact of the matter is that although Alexander the great destroyed the city, the bible says that Nebuchadnezzar would do it. It said that Nebuchadnezzar would throw the ruins of the city into the sea, which did not happen.

[Drich]

How am I the desperate one?

13 pages of failed arguements.

You go so far as to redefine the word 'found' as 'excavate'.

I did not redefine anything. I pointed out the Hebrew word for found includes to be in the presents of the object in question. That the word does not mean to simply think you know where something is as you believe to mean.

I did not do anything with the defination of excavate in any way shape or form. I pointed out the the excavation site you were championing was about a mile and a half south of where the remain of the city were supposed to be. Not to mention I identified what would have been where they dug (the southern port)

The fact of the matter is that although Alexander the great destroyed the city, the bible says that Nebuchadnezzar would do it.

Neb did destroy the city. After the occupation the city was left in ruins, and the people left on the Island port of tyre never rebuilt the mainland. They improved the walls of the island instead.

It said that Nebuchadnezzar would throw the ruins of the city into the sea, which did not happen.

[Minimalist]

http://www.goatstar.org/failed-prophecies/

Ezekiel predicted Babylon would conquer Egypt and was wrong.

Ezekiel predicts the destruction of Tyre (Tyrus) by Nebuchadrezzar and is wrong again.

You know, a pattern is developing. Ezekiel seems to be little more than the Josef Goebbels for Babylon.

[Darkstar]

Here we go: http://www.middleeast.com/tyre.htm

Founded at the start of the third millennium B.C., Tyre originally consisted of a mainland settlement and a modest island city that lay a short distance off shore. But it was not until the first millennium B.C. that the city experienced its golden age.
In the 10th century B.C. Hiram, King of Tyre, joined two islets by landfill.

Early in the sixth century B.C. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, laid siege to the walled city for thirteen years. Tyre stood firm, but it was probable that at this time the residents of the mainland city abandoned it for the safety of the island.

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So, I have now demonstrated that Nebuchadnezzar did not destroy Tyre. He may have ruined part of it, but certainly not in the way the bible describes.

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Ezekiel 26:7-10 “For this is what the Sovereign Lord says: From the north I am going to bring against Tyre Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon, king of kings, with horses and chariots, with horsemen and a great army. 8 He will ravage your settlements on the mainland with the sword; he will set up siege works against you, build a ramp up to your walls and raise his shields against you. 9 He will direct the blows of his battering rams against your walls and demolish your towers with his weapons. 10 His horses will be so many that they will cover you with dust. Your walls will tremble at the noise of the warhorses, wagons and chariots when he enters your gates as men enter a city whose walls have been broken through.

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At the beginning of this passage, he notes how Nebuchadnezzar will destroy the mainland settlements. He then goes on to explain how Nebuchadnezzar will break through the city walls. The city walls he speaks of are the walls of the fortified island that Nebuchadnezzar could not breach. It is very explicit in that Nebuchadnezzar will destoy both the mainland settlements and the main city of Tyre. At best, he destroyed only the settlements, and this much is not even certain.

The most important recent archaeological find in a Phoenician cemetery from the first millennium B.C. Discovered in 1991 during clandestine excavations, this is the first cemetery of its kind found in Lebanon. Funerary jars, inscribed steles and jewelry
were among the objects retrieved
from the site.

Read: Phonecian. Some artifacts from the original city have been found.

[Minimalist]

The city walls he speaks of are the walls of the fortified island that Nebuchadnezzar could not breach. It is very explicit in that Nebuchadnezzar will destoy both the mainland settlements and the main city of Tyre.

Drippy doesn't want facts, D/S. He wants to get his fucking god off the hook and he can't do it because Tyre is still there.

Poor drippy...his whole world is wrapped up in fairy tales and he can't handle it when they turn out to be false.