Defend the Ellectoral College!!

[Angrboda]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GA7JudUWJg

[Brian37]

I still don't like the electoral college system. Truth is, in a presidential election, my vote has never mattered. I lived in Oklahoma until I turned 30 and that's just about the most conservative state there is. Both candidates ignored the whole state in every general election. Then I moved to Texas, a state that's much bigger with many more electoral college votes. Know what? The state still gets ignored because it's so solidly Republican. And instead of candidates talking about issues that matter to me, I get to watch them fight and struggle and spend millions of dollars to become president of Pennsylvania and Ohio. Because of the nature of the electoral college system, none of the candidates make serious campaigns in any of the three most populous states since California and New York are already solidly Democratic states and Texas is strongly Republican.

Yea well that is the vapid excuse to not take action and the bullies count on you thinking that way.

A simple vote with no counterballance is simply mob rule by vote. Iran has ellections too.

It is not there to disinfranchise the voter. It is there as part as many other tools in the Constition as a reminder that there is no such thing as absolute rule, not even the voter should have that. Otherwise if a majority of voters decided to go back to slavery, blacks would be fucked.

The ellectoral collage is a COIN TOSS to break a tie and allows the MINORTY to make the choice. It is fair because not only do non business owners fall under that same constitution, we outnumber them.

If you want to argue that the system has been gamed, that is a good case. But the intent of the founders in the case of populer vote still losing wasnt to say "fuck the majority". But is there for the same reason "the right to petition the government for a redress of grivance". The same reason that both Nixon and Clinton were impeached(politicla motives aside).

If we don't want the Presdent, or the congress no matter whose party is in the majority, to have absolute power, why should the voter have it? A simply majority meme would have screwed Women and blacks.

It is not a perfect system, but don't blame it if you don't use it yourself.

The left is right on tons of economic issues and social issues and has constantly pulled society forward and always in spite of others trying to hold us back. The womans movement and blacks rights and now gay rights are here because there is no simple vote. President Obama could not have repealed DADT if everything depended on vote alone. Although we are reaching a critical mass where gay rights are becoming acceptable a simple vote would prevent that.

Go read the rules for tie breaks in the Constitution, it gets freaky. You can in theory have one party as president and the other as vice president. Writing that rule is a glaring demand to avoid absolute power and that ban on absolute power should also include the voter.

Our system is not dictitorial but the concept of guiding, case by case and EVERYONE is entitled to particispate. So don't get caught up in "I didn't win so therefore it doesnt work" that is the hopelessness the bullies are depending on to game the system even more. And since the middle class and working poor outnumber them it is a hollow threat, or can remaine a hollow threat.

The progess minorties have made is not because the system doesn't work but because they used that same system.

And the way it looks now, just right now bedause the future isn't here yet, Romney might win the popular and still lose the ellection. But he is sure to win if they continue to convince us the system is broken.

The system is being abused, but it can work properly if we use it too.

[Darkstar]

http://news.msn.com/politics/the-106-cou...ne-of-them I guess the electoral college isn't big on fair voting.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_(Uni..._per_state

There are on average 62.8 counties per state

62.8 * 50 = 3140

106 = 3.4% .......ouch.
3140

[Minimalist]

I still don't like the electoral college system. Truth is, in a presidential election, my vote has never mattered. I lived in Oklahoma until I turned 30 and that's just about the most conservative state there is. Both candidates ignored the whole state in every general election. Then I moved to Texas, a state that's much bigger with many more electoral college votes. Know what? The state still gets ignored because it's so solidly Republican. And instead of candidates talking about issues that matter to me, I get to watch them fight and struggle and spend millions of dollars to become president of Pennsylvania and Ohio. Because of the nature of the electoral college system, none of the candidates make serious campaigns in any of the three most populous states since California and New York are already solidly Democratic states and Texas is strongly Republican.

Same boat....I used to live in NY which was solidly democratic and now I live in the asshole of the country...Arizona.