Media Endorsements of Presidential Candidates

[DeistPaladin]

My interpretation of what he said was my own, not Romney's. When the President said "If you've got a business – you didn't build that", I asked myself if he really meant this the way it sounds and concluded that he did. If he meant it the way you think, there would be no need to preface the line with "If you've got a business".

Any rational person listening to the whole quote in context would conclude that Obama was speaking about roads and bridges. And the reason for "if you've got a business" is because of the Randite philosophy that prevails in our political discourse.

Again the quote with bold emphasis to illustrate:

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business – you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

This feels like arguing with a Christian apologist about what the Bible says. I'm going by what's there. You're going by some obtuse interpretation that fits your ideology.

As a small business owner myself, and a member of a local small business association where I meet weekly with other small business owners, I know that having money to expand is what leads most business owners to do it. They always believe that there's more business to be had by growing - they're small businesses - they're not dominating a market. If the funds are there, they will use them to grow, expand and hire, just like I'm doing right now with my own business.

Well, I'm not sure what business you're in or what the economy is like in your area but what makes things in the current economy hard for small business is not taxes or regulation. It's the lack of demand that would normally come from the middle class. The middle class is dying in this country. Our jobs are being shipped overseas, business owners like me are competing with cheaper products from China while more wealth is being concentrated at the very top.

You can make appeals to unnamed authority ("all the economists say...") but this is little more convincing than a Christian apologists who makes similar sweeping statements about scholarly consensus about Jesus. I care about evidence and results, not ivory towers. I've seen the conservative economic policies in action since 2000 and can assert that the only way they work is in killing the middle class in America.

[Tino]

Any rational person listening to the whole quote in context would conclude that Obama was speaking about roads and bridges.

Sorry, but no. Let's look at the quote, which you helpfully bolded:

Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business – you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen.

1. this unbelievable American system - first he's talking about our political/democratic/capitalist system, then he changes topic to...

2. roads and bridges - infrastructure, then he changes topic to ...

3. If you've got a business – you didn't build that. - small businesses. Three topics in one paragraph. And I'm not the one being obtuse - I'm reading his words: If you've got a business – you didn't build that. You're the one using an oracle to try to spin it to mean something else.

You can make appeals to unnamed authority ("all the economists say...") but this is little more convincing than a Christian apologists who makes similar sweeping statements about scholarly consensus about Jesus. I care about evidence and results, not ivory towers.

I did not offer anything like "all the economists say". I said that I've not seen a credible source who supports your assertion that raising taxes during a weak economy is a good idea. You're welcome to provide a source. Since you care about evidence I'm sure you have one.

[DeistPaladin]

I did not offer anything like "all the economists say". I said that I've not seen a credible source who supports your assertion that raising taxes during a weak economy is a good idea. You're welcome to provide a source. Since you care about evidence I'm sure you have one.

My source is the results that came out of the policy.

You can post a link to your source and I will consider it.

And I'm done discussing the "you didn't build that" quote mine. I'm sure it's clear to everyone observing this conversation that you stubbornly cling to your ideology instead of reading what's there (and also hearing his voice).

[DeistPaladin]

As an aside (but related to this conversation) my deconversion story. I once was a believer in trickle down and The Invisible Hand.

[Tino]

http://observer.com/2012/10/romney-for-president/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hone...54673.html

[festive1]

Well... Another right-leaning paper endorsing Romney, big surprise. And Honey Boo Boo can't vote.
Watching the debate tonight?

[Minimalist]

Worse than right-leaning they brag about catering to the upper 1% of cocksuckers who are bleeding this country dry.

Of course they want a fuckhead like Mitt the Shitt.

[Tino]

Well... Another right-leaning paper endorsing Romney, big surprise. And Honey Boo Boo can't vote.
Watching the debate tonight?

Oh yes I am, looking forward to comparing notes. You have cute kids by the way.

[Tiberius]

Watching the debate tonight?

Please stop calling it that. From what I've read of this "debate", it's even less of a debate than the last one.

[A Theist]

http://observer.com/2012/10/romney-for-president/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hone...54673.html

Oh Good Lord!!!!! Honey Boo Boo!!!!.....welp, that does it for me! I'm changing my vote! Thank You Honey Boo Boo....Lindsay Lohan also came out and endorsed Obama....

Mitt Romney missed an opportunity to challenge Obama over the Benghazi attack last night....Obama said in the Rose Garden on September 12th, the day after the Benghazi terrorist attack..."No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for."....Barack Obama on that day did not call the Benghazi attack a planned out terrorist attack committed by terrorists...five days later, September 16th, the UN Ambassador, Susan Rice appeared on five different Sunday news shows denying that the Benghazi attack was an act of terrorism, but was rather an unpremeditated act of mob violence in response to a you tube video...
Susan Rice...
...the Deputy Assisstant Secretary of State, Charlene Lamb, said that the State Department watched the unfolding of events in Benghazi in almost real time....which subsequently showed that there was no mass demonstrations at the time of the terrorist attack....within 24 hours it was known by the State Department that this attack on our embassy was a terrorist attack....afterward, Barack Obama stood before the UN and condemned the you tube video that he said was responsible for the attack on our embassy, still denying that it was actually a planned out terrorist attack...Hillary Clinton and Obama also filmed a commercial that was aired in Pakistan that condemned the you tube video for sparking mob violence against our embassy...it wasn't until weeks later that the State Department admitted that the Benghazi attack was a planned out terrorist attack committed by terrorists....either Barack Obama is so detached from his own State Department that he actually doesn't know what's going on around him, or he's trying to cover this up....
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/president-oba...e-the-u-n/