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(November 24, 2012 at 11:52 pm)Daniel Wrote: If a man marries a 9-year old and has sex with her it's still wrong. Here's an image to help you:
Muhammad, Aisha and her doll.
Wow, what Nazis! I guess if you want something done right you have to host it on your own f*ing website these days:
Really, was it that important to show that image. Feel good now. That guy looks like you.
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(November 25, 2012 at 1:18 am)Waratah Wrote: Still not clear. We are not talking about a 9 year old girl. I am talking about adult marriage, sexuality and sin.
A married homosexual couple having sex is wrong? Yes or no included in the answer please, will hopefully help make it clear. Actually just a yes or no answer would make it clear.
I don't give a shit about the new testament. To be married in Australia has not needed the churches for a while now. So your "Porneia" is irrelevant.
I already answered your question. Yes I am against same-sex marriage. However I'm not against civil rights, I don't support criminalization of homosexuality, and I don't presume to tell non-Christians how to live their lives.
No you have not answered it once again . Please do not try to infer that your "for or against homosexual marriage" was the question I wanted answered since you had answered that question but seem really reluctant to answer this question here:
A married homosexual couple having sex is wrong?
YES or NO.
(November 25, 2012 at 8:40 pm)Daniel Wrote:
(November 25, 2012 at 6:36 pm)pocaracas Wrote: Marriage by the church and civil marriage are two different things.
The church imbues the act of marriage with some mumbo-jumbo which they call a sacrament. And they only allow marriages between a man and a woman. It's their institution, their rules, they can do whatever the hell they want with their associates.
The civil marriage is the real contract that two people make and the one that is valid in a court of law.
I'm going to call you out on this. When the Church had the authority over marriage - yes including the days of the Israelites - it was always a contract, and always administered by the Church. Whether that contract is administered by the Church or by the State doesn't change the fundamental fact that it remains "one and the same". It was a contract in the time of Christ, the contract was not administered by the State authorities, but it was a contract nonetheless.
So fucking what. It's still a contract. Even before the church did marriages it still was a contract. Again so fucking what. This also does not change the fact the church does not control the contracts anymore. Get over it
Quote:If you want to give the Church the full right to administer the contracts without any State involvement whatsoever, then you can do whatever you want with the State's version. Until you hand the Church the power to do that, the Church will defend the institution which the State now wholly controls. You should be in favour of such a move as it will represent further separation of Church and State.
The church is irrelevant for marriage now. Get over it.
I really hate to admit it but Australia is so backwards in this reguard of Marriage Equality. Same gender marriage is not allowed. According to the polls Australians are for Marriage Equality, so it will happen. It will be such a good feeling when we do have Marriage Equality here in Australia, at least we will not have government endorsed discrimination against the LGBT community and I think it will be such a good thing for society.
November 26, 2012 at 1:51 am (This post was last modified: November 26, 2012 at 2:08 am by Aractus.)
(November 25, 2012 at 11:58 pm)Waratah Wrote:
No you have not answered it once again . Please do not try to infer that your "for or against homosexual marriage" was the question I wanted answered since you had answered that question but seem really reluctant to answer this question here:
A married homosexual couple having sex is wrong?
YES or NO.
Why don't you try reading what I've already said instead of insiting that I've doged your question.
(November 21, 2012 at 9:36 am)Daniel Wrote: I have exactly the same problem with any homosexual couple as with any de-facto couple. I think Christians who don't treat them exactly the same way are double-sighted.Yes homosexual sex and relationships is a sin, but it's not unique and it's no different to heterosexual fornication and de-facto relationships.
(November 25, 2012 at 11:38 pm)Chas Wrote: It is neither mine nor a theory. These are facts discovered by good Biblical scholarship.
Did I say it's yours? Do you really think that Ehrman discovered that we don't have any original manuscripts???? That's never been in question. So much for your much valued "facts".
November 26, 2012 at 2:24 am (This post was last modified: November 26, 2012 at 2:25 am by Cato.)
(November 25, 2012 at 11:21 pm)Daniel Wrote: Your theory is nothing new. The fallacy in your argument is that you assert that there "should be" original manuscripts. Show me all these other ancient manuscripts you have originals of and not copies?
Your theory is nothing new. The fallacy in your argument is that you assert that there "is a god", without proper documentation. Show me all these other ancient manuscripts you have originals of and not copies?
Daniel, do you know understand how fucking stupid you sound?
(November 21, 2012 at 9:36 am)Daniel Wrote: I have exactly the same problem with any homosexual couple as with any de-facto couple. I think Christians who don't treat them exactly the same way are double-sighted.Yes homosexual sex and relationships is a sin, but it's not unique and it's no different to heterosexual fornication and de-facto relationships.
Still dodging. In the unhighlighted part you say heterosexual defacto-relationships are the same for "sin". My question makes it quite pacific that I am talking about a marriage of a homosexual relationship and whether you think it is wrong. Why is it so hard for you to say YES or NO to this question:
A married homosexual couple having sex is wrong?
If you cannot answer YES or NO I will have to assume you answer is YES.
Next questions:
Why is it wrong to physically express your love for someone(this is your queue to bring in you pedo shit, please don't)?
Who the fuck are you to judge?
Soon this will be reality in Australia. Get over it
(November 26, 2012 at 3:57 am)Waratah Wrote: Still dodging. In the unhighlighted part you say heterosexual defacto-relationships are the same for "sin". My question makes it quite pacific that I am talking about a marriage of a homosexual relationship and whether you think it is wrong. Why is it so hard for you to say YES or NO to this question:
A married homosexual couple having sex is wrong?
I'm sorry I didn't realize I was talking to a mentally challenged person.
(November 21, 2012 at 9:36 am)Daniel Wrote: I have exactly the same problem with any homosexual couple as with any de-facto couple. I think Christians who don't treat them exactly the same way are double-sighted.Yes homosexual sex and relationships is a sin, but it's not unique and it's no different to heterosexual fornication and de-facto relationships.
YES HOMOSEXUAL SEX AND RELATIONSHIPS IS A SIN
Do you understand yet? No? In that case here is my answer for you:
YES HOMOSEXUAL SEX AND RELATIONSHIPS IS A SIN
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(November 26, 2012 at 7:46 am)Waratah Wrote: You might have missed the rest of the post Daniel, here you go
I'm sorry, it took so much effort answering the same question over-and-over-and-over again that I assumed that's all you cared about.
Maybe next time you should say YES or NO. Still could not do it. That's okay, I had to in the end resort to "If not answer I will assume."
Actually it would save us a lot of time. Each time you avoid I will assume.
Why is it wrong to physically express your love for someone(this is your queue to bring in you pedo shit, please don't)?
Daniel says: It's just wrong because the bible said so(stamping his foot ). I suppose it's okay for a man to express his love of a 9 year old child with sex then.
Waratah: I said no pedo shit, not part of the equation.
Who the fuck are you to judge?
Daniel: I'm not judging, I have a friend who is one of those and I have nothing against them. It's just that it is wrong that's all.