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The 2013 German election.
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The 2013 German election.
Sooooo the German election will be in November or October next year.
The date hasn`t jet been set by our President - who usualy sets it on a date proposed by Parlament. It has do be 4 years after the last election and has to be during a public holiday to assure as much public participation as possible.


What are Germans voting in 2013?

Parlament. We are a federal Republic in which most power, including the formation of the goverment lies with parlament.
After the vote has been counted, the political parties are required to form a coalition except when one party reaches a majority which lies over 50%.


Current situation:

Currently we have a coalition goverment, formed by The conservative party (CDU (Christian Democratic Union)) and the liberterian party (FDP (Liberal Democratic Party))

Parlament is devided in fractions as shown:

[Image: sitzverteilung_01.jpg]

Sitze - are seats in Parlament.

In the US parties are assoziated with animals (donkey, elephant) - in Germany with colors

the parties currently in Parlament are

Green party: - green
Liberterian: - yellow
Conservative: - black
Social Democrats: - red
Left: - pink

Who are the parties and what do they stand for?

for reasons of objectivity I will use wiki-definitions because there are parties who I cant stand!

CDU:




FDP:




SPD:




The Greens:




The Left (The one I cant stand):





Soooo it is still a long way to the election, but debates (in Germany) hve already started and some candidates have been set.

I will post updates on current issues weekly, aswell as I will post a list of the issues of this election cicle to keep you all informed.

Please feel free to ask questions.
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RE: The 2013 German election.
I'm wondering, do specific regions of Germany have predictable (or semi predictable) voting habits over time? Does Bavaria, for example, consistently go to the CDU (or any other party)? I recall them having their own party with a similar name..but I wonder if these are just names..or indicative of ideology (and offering each other broad support at the level of interaction of the state and the fed).
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RE: The 2013 German election.
(November 15, 2012 at 7:57 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I'm wondering, do specific regions of Germany have predictable (or semi predictable) voting habits over time? Does Bavaria, for example, consistently go to the CDU (or any other party)? I recall them having their own party with a similar name..but I wonder if these are just names..or indicative of ideology (and offering each other broad support at the level of interaction of the state and the fed).

The answere is: I dont know.

And it is a great answere.
The political field of Germany has changed radicaly in the past 20-30 years.

States such as Berlin which is a traditionaly social democratic state and Bavaria which is a traditionaly conservative state, will probably stay predictable.

But in other states things have changed radicaly.
Merkel has moved her party away from stubbern social conservative views. Gay marrige, abortion and other - are no longer subjects of debate. At the same time the left wing parties have moved away from stubbern leftist views, the greens and social democrats have become more buisnessfriendly.
And the electorat?
Last year the conservative state Badn Würtenberg suddently had a green goveneur.
The left-wing states of NRW and Hamburg had a conservative Govenor and major.

The German electorat is turning more and more into a "completly swing state electorat".

Viewer people vote the same party for years, people are more and more convinced through arguments than through stubbern positions.

So german elections are more and more about arguments than pritty speeches and apeals to a traditional electorat.

Which in my view is a positive development.
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RE: The 2013 German election.
Where are the CDU?? There is no black on your graphic.

Confused now. Undecided
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RE: The 2013 German election.
why can't you stand "the left"? it seems everything on that list is a good thing? so what's your main problem with them? or should I say why have you been told you shouldn't stand for them, and what reasons were given? I also noticed in the description of their party, that they support the federal minimum wage? is there no minimum wage laws in germany, or are they just local laws that differ from city to city? also, it says they want too abolish NATO and replace it with a collective security group that includes russia, isn't this the same thing as adding russia to nato or are they trying to exclude America from european concerns, because they see america as being the "theif's den", or something like that?
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RE: The 2013 German election.
(November 17, 2012 at 4:20 am)cratehorus Wrote: why can't you stand "the left"? it seems everything on that list is a good thing? so what's your main problem with them? or should I say why have you been told you shouldn't stand for them, and what reasons were given? I also noticed in the description of their party, that they support the federal minimum wage? is there no minimum wage laws in germany, or are they just local laws that differ from city to city?

There are federal minimum wages, they just want to raise them.
Their speeches and promises are ludecris, they keep promissing and promissing a socialistic utopia, but dont eaven deliver concepts describing how they want to achieve that goal.
They are totaly out of touch with reality - and almoust every single bill they propose, doesnt fail because of the oppostion to them, but because of reality.
I dont have that big of an objection to left-wingers in parlament who play by the rules of democracy and are aware of political reality - but these people are simply nuts.
Almoust every parlament in Europe has a right-wing-nationalist extremist group in parlament - only Germany has laft wing extremists in parlament - and that is them.

(November 17, 2012 at 4:20 am)cratehorus Wrote: also, it says they want too abolish NATO and replace it with a collective security group that includes russia, isn't this the same thing as adding russia to nato or are they trying to exclude America from european concerns, because they see america as being the "theif's den", or something like that?

Yeah right. With Russia? Are you serious?
It could be because youre not so close to that place that you are not that well informed. It is a brutal dictatorship.
They exclude a whole bunch of nations - and scream arround in their speeches about american imperialism, british colonialism, french bourgoise, capitalist zionism and other as if it wasnt a parlament but the conference meeting of the sovjet comminist party.

The main issue with the left is, it`s the party which evolved out of the steaming pile of shit called the SED. The party which ruled the former east german communist dictatorship.
And it`s shamefull.
The idea that people who rejected democracy and who probably were eaven involved in human rights abuses, such as former stasi members and other - should have a say in a democracy - to me is repulsive.

The amnesty given to criminals of the former GDR regime was a big mistake - because it left us with these fuckheads who believe that they can still build up the berlin wall.

The connection between this party and russian politicians is easyly explained through looking at the ties these former (an maybe still) stasi\SED\communist scumbags had with soviet officials earlyer.
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RE: The 2013 German election.
(November 17, 2012 at 5:58 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: The idea that people who rejected democracy and who probably were eaven involved in human rights abuses, such as former stasi members and other - should have a say in a democracy - to me is repulsive.

The amnesty given to criminals of the former GDR regime was a big mistake

What is /was the alternative ?
Lock them all up ?
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R. Gervais
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RE: The 2013 German election.
(November 17, 2012 at 7:22 pm)Kousbroek Wrote: What is /was the alternative ?
Lock them all up ?

A trial - very simple. If you commit a crime you are supposed to be held accountable.

Just like it happened here after 1945.
I admit that then the "denazification" didnt catch everyone and some nazis still participated in pre-war german politics after 1945 (especialy in eastern germany where 39 percent of all politicians were former nazis)

but in general most criminals were put to trial and sentenced.
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RE: The 2013 German election.
(November 17, 2012 at 7:30 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: A trial - very simple. If you commit a crime you are supposed to be held accountable.

And to what level of personnel or everybody ?
In that case we might be talking about thousands and thousands of people.
"Jesus is like an unpaid babysitter "
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RE: The 2013 German election.
(November 17, 2012 at 7:37 pm)Kousbroek Wrote: And to what level of personnel or everybody ?
In that case we might be talking about thousands and thousands of people.

Doesn`t matter.
There are dictatorships in which it is required to be member of the "party" to actualy get a job.
But someone who spied at people, torchured people and actively participated in holding up the structures on which a totalitarian system is built uppon - should face the consequences of his or her actions.
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