Muhammad the Greatest: A Comparative Study

[Darkstar]

Response: Thus proving my point. Thanks for the clarification.

What are you talking about!?! You just said that we can't trust people's word that they are eyewitnesses to something because that would be relying on hearsay...and yet you accept the "evidence" of...where is this evidence of yours anyway?

[Creed of Heresy]

Response: You clearly answered nothing, when the challenge clearly states for YOU YOURSELF to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation, or even just the street you live on, by using human-made speech/literatue that goes against the wants of a mass of people, as proof that such an act is humanly possible. You've done none of the above. Debunked again.

Funny thing. I keep hearing from muslims that the west is the land of the great devil.

So how come no muslims have yet used al-qur'an to conquer western nations? Not even states? Cities? Blocks? Streets? If al-qur'an was truly the only word of god and therefore could be used to do such a thing [in essence living up to its own challenge], it would do such a thing.

It has not.

Hitler accepted the challenge, clearly. If I show that someone else, they, themselves rose to the challenge to inspire the masses to do things they obviously did not want to do, through their own human speech and literature, then why must I show that I myself can do the same? I am no orator. I don't even like talking to people, and I am not a violent individual [having firsthand experience in how horrible and gruesome it is to take another human life]...why would I wish to inspire conquest? Hence I give you evidence of others doing so themselves...and yet for some "reason," that is not enough?

You are apparently incapable of understanding the very core concepts of logic, the very basics of reason. Your arrogance is very typical of those who share your belief, which I always find amusing given how al-qur'an tells you that you're supposed to be humble and modest...but you've been anything and everything but that in your posts so far.

You are intellectually dishonest and inept. You are disingenuous, you apply faulty (circular) logic in a mad attempt to vindicate your position. You are the worst kind of person to debate with; the kind who claims to be certain of something even when shown they are horribly mistaken. You are a waste of my time and my own cranial resources. I can only beat my head against a brick wall for so long before I start getting a headache, and truth be told this is a fitting metaphor; you will not budge, and you are very dense.


In all honesty I realize you are completely brainwashed and indoctrinated. You are programmed. The cruel, twisted, elderly virgins who call themselves your spiritual guides got to you very early in life; I suspect you never had an opposing viewpoint ever presented to you during your formative years.

With that, I bid you good day. I hope you mull over what we have said in a genuine attempt to see it from our perspective as I have tried to see it from the muslim one over the years, as you owe it to us for coming onto our little internet social gathering and insulting our intellect rather blatantly and tactlessly, and to yourself because everyone owes it to themselves to enlighten themselves.

[Gooders1002]

Except Jesus, and anybody good at mind manipulation, but You still have not proved he even existed in the first place. And what other documents proves the Quran outside of the Quran and other scripter?

Response: The Qur'an challenge does, supported by your ducking and dodging, as well as your admission to be unable to answer it. The evidence is clear, the Qur'an is from Allah. You may wish to live denial if you want.

-face desk- are you completely stupid or just trolling I have answered it many times that I can not personality but some WHO CAN MANIPULATE MINDS CAN, what part of that can't you though your thick skull into your brain, if you even have one. And what evidence, you have given, as so far you have given us no evidence of anything. Your arguments are pure GIGO.

[Norfolk And Chance]

It was once said that if you had enough chimps with typewriters, and enough time, that the chimps would eventually produce the entire works of Shakespeare...sadly the internet has proven that theory wrong.

Can we not just ban this nut?

[Al-Fatihah]

Another's inability or unwillingness to disprove what you claim, or even make a claim himself does not relieve you of the burden of proof for your own claims.

Mod hat on: You can either begin to address arguments properly, or you may be banned for trolling or spamming. Continually deflecting counter arguments and shifting the burden of proof doesn't cut it.

Your choice.

Kufi Hat on: Your arguments, like everyone else's, has been addressed and refuted repeatedly, as you clearly know it. You can either accept it and move on, or hide behind the badge of a moderator and pretend as if you want to ban on false allegations of spamming deflecting arguments, knowing full well it's because you can't stomach the onslaught of being utterly exposed. Whatever the choice, it doesn't change the fact that you've been exposed and the evidence is clear that the Qur'an is the true word of Allah, whether you like it or not.

Your choice.
Finallly

[Dee Dee Ramone]

Response: The Qur'an challenge does, supported by your ducking and dodging, as well as your admission to be unable to answer it. The evidence is clear, the Qur'an is from Allah. You may wish to live denial if you want.

-face desk- are you completely stupid or just trolling I have answered it many times that I can not personality but some WHO CAN MANIPULATE MINDS CAN, what part of that can't you though your thick skull into your brain, if you even have one. And what evidence, you have given, as so far you have given us no evidence of anything. Your arguments are pure GIGO.

I feel your anger...

[Al-Fatihah]

What are you talking about!?! You just said that we can't trust people's word that they are eyewitnesses to something because that would be relying on hearsay...and yet you accept the "evidence" of...where is this evidence of yours anyway?

Response: The evidence is in the same challenge you've continued to fail to answer.

[Darkstar]

I feel your anger...

So do I...
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What are you talking about!?! You just said that we can't trust people's word that they are eyewitnesses to something because that would be relying on hearsay...and yet you accept the "evidence" of...where is this evidence of yours anyway?

Response: The evidence is in the same challenge you've continued to fail to answer.

But Muhammud couldn't answer it, so how is that evidence for your case?

[Creed of Heresy]

I would also like it to be known that I do not group men like, say, Rayaan, who ARE modest and humble, into the category aforementioned.

In fact I would like to hear his thoughts on this thread, myself, it would prove interesting, I think.

[Al-Fatihah]

Funny thing. I keep hearing from muslims that the west is the land of the great devil.

So how come no muslims have yet used al-qur'an to conquer western nations? Not even states? Cities? Blocks? Streets? If al-qur'an was truly the only word of god and therefore could be used to do such a thing [in essence living up to its own challenge], it would do such a thing.

It has not.

Hitler accepted the challenge, clearly. If I show that someone else, they, themselves rose to the challenge to inspire the masses to do things they obviously did not want to do, through their own human speech and literature, then why must I show that I myself can do the same? I am no orator. I don't even like talking to people, and I am not a violent individual [having firsthand experience in how horrible and gruesome it is to take another human life]...why would I wish to inspire conquest? Hence I give you evidence of others doing so themselves...and yet for some "reason," that is not enough?

You are apparently incapable of understanding the very core concepts of logic, the very basics of reason. Your arrogance is very typical of those who share your belief, which I always find amusing given how al-qur'an tells you that you're supposed to be humble and modest...but you've been anything and everything but that in your posts so far.

You are intellectually dishonest and inept. You are disingenuous, you apply faulty (circular) logic in a mad attempt to vindicate your position. You are the worst kind of person to debate with; the kind who claims to be certain of something even when shown they are horribly mistaken. You are a waste of my time and my own cranial resources. I can only beat my head against a brick wall for so long before I start getting a headache, and truth be told this is a fitting metaphor; you will not budge, and you are very dense.


In all honesty I realize you are completely brainwashed and indoctrinated. You are programmed. The cruel, twisted, elderly virgins who call themselves your spiritual guides got to you very early in life; I suspect you never had an opposing viewpoint ever presented to you during your formative years.

With that, I bid you good day. I hope you mull over what we have said in a genuine attempt to see it from our perspective as I have tried to see it from the muslim one over the years, as you owe it to us for coming onto our little internet social gathering and insulting our intellect rather blatantly and tactlessly, and to yourself because everyone owes it to themselves to enlighten themselves.

Response: The claim that Hitler answered the challenge continues to fail, for you can't even quote any source that says that the people who folowed Hitler did so because they were inspired by speech that went against what they wanted. Go ahead, Bring the source. Exactly. You have nothing.

Furthermore, the challenge proves from a hands-on eyewitness account that the act is impossible. So if an eyewitness account proves so, then hearsay that someone in history answered the challenge is obviously False. Hearsay is not more credible than a hands-on eyewitness account. Debunked as usual.