Daily quotes

[Brian37]

I rejected Platos ideas on how the "perfect" state should be, right from when I first read about it.
To be honest I read about it in Poppers Open Sociaty and it`s enemies.

As to Platos idelism - I have always been empirical in my way of thinking.

I agree now with this and Dawkins rightful blasting of Plato. But what I got stuck on was his pretty story of "Allegory of the Cave". In it as those who have read it know, 3 babies are confined in a cave by chain, and the only image they have is shadows on a the wall. But they don't know what causes the shadows so they end up thinking all sorts of crap about the importance and powers of the shadows. But one of the babies after all of them get to the point of being older youth, decides to chuck the chains and leave the caves.

It sounds good as as a story, because it teaches you to question, otherwise that one baby would not have discovered a different reality unlike the one he viewed in the cave. It also teaches you not to be fearful of questioning.

Plato's flaw was that the INTENT OF QUESTIONING, was not designed to find facts, but to seek an essence, a utopia, a perfection.

I think the problem with most who read Plato did what I did, not all, but far too many.

I am with Dawkins in his claim that Plato is probably the most responsible for fucked up logic humanity suffers from today.

Questioning as an idea wasn't bad. But questioning without some sort of data testing and control groups was something Plato never considered to any semblance of modern science.

[Minimalist]

“Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest”

Denis Diderot

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Children will be blessed for
Killing Of Educated Adults
Who Ignore 4 Simultaneous
Days Same Earth Rotation.
Practicing Evil ONEness -
Upon Earth Of Quadrants.
Evil Adult Crime VS Youth.
Supports Lie Of Integration.
1 Educated Are Most Dumb.
Not 1 Human Except Dead 1.
Man Is Paired, 2 Half 4 Self.
1 of God Is Only 1/4 Of God.

- Gene Ray, timecube.com

[Creed of Heresy]

From Arthur C. Clarke, the sci-fi writer for whom we can thank for 2001: A Space Odyssey, from "Childhood's End"

"You will find men like him in all of the world's religions. They know that we represent reason and science, and, however confident they may be in their beliefs, they fear that we will overthrow their gods. Not necessarily through any deliberate act, but in a subtler fashion. Science can destroy a religion by ignoring it as well as by disproving its tenets. No one ever demonstrated, so far as I am aware, the nonexistence of Zeus or Thor, but they have few followers now."

[Creed of Heresy]

I always love quoting saints. Because it shows what a bunch of stupid fucking assholes they really were. Saint my ass.

This is from "Saint" Augustine, from Treatise on the Correction of the Donatists:

It is indeed better (as no one ever could deny) that men should be led to worship God by teaching, than that they should be driven to it by fear of punishment or pain; but it does not follow that because the former course produces the better men, therefore those who do not yield to it should be neglected. For many have found advantage (as we have proved, and are daily proving by actual experiment), in being first compelled by fear or pain, so that they might afterwards be influenced by teaching, or might follow out in act what they had already learned in word."

Dick. Also clearly a raving lunatic. If nothing else, I "admire" him for basically admitting he's a hypocrite. "It's better to teach a man to worship than to force him! But, really, it's actually better to FORCE him to worship, because then he'll be more receptive to being taught!"

What a fuckin' idiot.

[Minimalist]

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."

~ Cardinal Roberto Bellarmine, at the trial of Galileo in 1615.

[Jackalope]

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."

~ Cardinal Roberto Bellarmine, at the trial of Galileo in 1615.

You know, the asshole was actually right. They are equally erroneous.

[Brian37]

"To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin."

~ Cardinal Roberto Bellarmine, at the trial of Galileo in 1615.

But atheists and scientists are the nutty ones.

I'd like to take the opportunity that this is NOT the first time in human history a messenger was punished for telling the truth. Galileo only got house arrest, Hypatia was murdered for telling the truth.


And even today, when we know what DNA is now, even theists are willing to sit on juries and accept it as evidence in a murder trial, but let their brains fall out and think that Jesus was born without a second set or magic godsperm.

This is what you get when superstition gets mass appeal.

[Minimalist]

“I'm a polyatheist - there are many gods I don't believe in”

Dan Fouts

[Brian37]

“I'm a polyatheist - there are many gods I don't believe in”

Dan Fouts

I just noticed your quote from Dan Fouts, is this the NFL Dan Fouts? Or is there another geek with the same name?