All Hail the Second Amendment

[popeyespappy]

I can get a new one for $399. That's about 850 in Turkish Lira. A new Colt government model would run around $850 here so the Tasis is less than half the price.

How are the gun laws in your area?

If you want a gun and you aren't a felon you go to the store, give them money and walk out with a gun. If you want a permit to carry a loaded gun on your person it takes about 2 weeks for a criminal background check and costs $20 a year.

[kılıç_mehmet]

How are the gun laws in your area?

If you want a gun and you aren't a felon you go to the store, give them money and walk out with a gun. If you want a permit to carry a loaded gun on your person it takes about 2 weeks for a criminal background check and costs $20 a year.

It can't get better than that.

[KUSA]

So we are evaluating policy using anecdotes now?

Your point?

[SteelCurtain]

Florida: The place where if there's a hurricane or other natural disaster, you won't need a permit any more to carry your weapon!

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/30/fl...mbies-too/

[Brakeman]

You can't read? She saved someone with a gun.

I'm not a "she."

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My own personal experience..
.. While simply calling the cops would have caught the guy, as I recognized him, it wouldn't have saved the girl from a mentally scarring rape nor saved her from additional horrendous blows to her head.

So how does that fit with the "more restrictions crowd?"

So we are evaluating policy using anecdotes now?

To you it is an anecdote, to me it is not, it is my personal experience and evidence.

Of course I would evaluate policy using my evidence and experience. What 1st person "evidence and experience" do you have?

[Rampant.A.I.]

Seriously? In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people. That was what I was addressing.

606 is an acceptable body count to you? 1 1/2 a day just because some asshole with a gun decides to stop being a "responsible" gun owner? Seriously?

In Britain in 2010 there were 58 murders.

Britain is the size of Wyoming, with a population of 63 million.

The US has 313 million residents, almost 5 times as many, and a host of social problems Britain doesn't seem to have.

I'm not sure how the comparison says anything.

[Minimalist]

I apparently owe someone a reply but first - let's have this week's dose of mayhem thanks to our allegedly responsible gun owners.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/30...tail=email

DES MOINES, IA, 4/21/14: A 4-year-old girl was shot and killed Monday in what Des Moines police said was an accidental shooting in her family's home. Police say it appears the girl somehow got ahold of a loaded weapon and shot herself. The shooting happened just after 7 p.m. at an apartment at 2746 Fleur Dr. The girl's mother, father and two younger children were home at the time of the shooting, police said. The girl died at Blank Children's Hospital. Des Moines police Sergeant Jason Halifax said, "Initial appearances are that the safe weapons handling practices were not followed. Right now that's just kind of the outward appearance

Yeah, sarge... when a 4 year old picks up a loaded weapon the observation that ' safe weapons handling practices were not followed' is a pretty easy guess!


Oh, Brakeman's thing? Yeah, sorry. I replied to Chas and never got to it.

Again, its a nice anecdote which keeps the gun nuts wetting their pants and completely ignores the reality of what the plethora of guns in this country really means. For every armed citizen who gets to indulge his Rambo-fantasy there are thousands of family members/acquaintances/innocent bystanders who face the fusillade of shots fired by themselves or others.

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2012/01/06-3

the total number of people shot in the United States each year has risen significantly from the beginning of the new century to 2008, the latest year for which complete federal data is available. Between 2000 and 2008, a total of 272,590 people died of gunshot injuries in the United States--an average of 30,288 gun deaths per year, a number shocking by comparison to any other developed country. During that same time period, an estimated 617,488 people suffered nonfatal gunshot injuries in the United States. The total number of people shot in 2008 totaled 110,215--the highest total recorded during the nine-year period surveyed in the analysis.

Almost a million casualties from the deliberate or accidental use of guns in an 9 year period and you guys are apparently fine with it. A cost of doing business, I guess?

Perhaps the answer lies in the fact that we are not as "developed" a country as we like to think.

[MindForgedManacle]

It would be nice to have sensible gun regulations, which the NRA has essentially vetoed largely by just scaringnthe shit out of morons who think they're going to need them to fight the government one day. We couldn't even pass a bill that was watered down and full of loopholes.

And we can't forget Pierre's ludicrous "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun". Of course, equivalency works both ways, so "the only thing that stops a good guy with a gun is a bad guy with a gun".

[KUSA]

"the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".

Your president obviously agrees with this statement. Look at all the guns protecting him.

[Bad Writer]

"the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun".

Your president obviously agrees with this statement. Look at all the guns protecting him.

Wait...where do you live?

This really isn't a good rebuttal to MindForgedManacle's observation. Pointing out what one person decides to do for their protection (which is something Obama actually doesn't decide for himself) in no way negates the fact that gun fights get people on both sides killed. He was pointing out the flaw in a fallacious piece of rhetoric, and you have yet to properly address it without appealing to equally fallacious Strawmen. Why do you keep doing this on this thread, KUSA?