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RE: the wife beating verse
January 6, 2013 at 11:38 pm
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(January 6, 2013 at 6:42 pm)Waratah Wrote: What is the point of putting in the quran the wife beating part if it does not hurt. Is the wife going to change her ways because you gave a light tap that has no pain? If you say yes it must be a magic light touch because otherwise talking would instead be sufficient. Your excuses are bullshit.
Response: Yes a person can be influenced to change their mind by being tapped, so your rebuttal is full of it. No one can subject themselves to constantly being tapped, nor can you prove otherwise. So your excuses are weak and proves nothing.
(January 6, 2013 at 7:25 pm)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote: Well allright (by your interpretation) men are not allowed to beat their wife....but adult men are allowed to marry nine year old girls ((by your interpretation) and now let's not pretend that's not an act of violence (by my interpretation).
Response: Men are allowed to marry any female, as long as she has reached puberty and maturity, no matter the age. And since you can name a single harm in consensual marriage with someone who is mature and reached puberty, then your logic is completely invalid.
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 6, 2013 at 11:42 pm
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So definitively, beatings are in, you just can't hit them "too hard". Probably wouldn't fly with my wife, or me. That woman goes to "tapping" me on the head and it's going to go to blows...
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 7, 2013 at 12:02 am
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You know, maybe the Qur'an and the Sunnah disagree on the wife beating issue. As I like to say, "Contradictions in religions teachings aren't problems, they're choices."
Religion doesn't have to be logically sound, I mean, it's religion.
(January 6, 2013 at 11:38 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Response: Men are allowed to marry any female, as long as she has reached puberty and maturity, no matter the age. And since you can name a single harm in consensual marriage with someone who is mature and reached puberty, then your logic is completely invalid.
Uh...puberty =/= maturity.
Also, raping your spouse is still rape, so even if the marriage was consensual, you can still hurt your spouse. Where you got the idea that you can't is beyond me.
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 7, 2013 at 12:15 am
(January 7, 2013 at 12:02 am)Darkstar Wrote: You know, maybe the Qur'an and the Sunnah disagree on the wife beating issue. As I like to say, "Contradictions in religions teachings aren't problems, they're choices."
Religion doesn't have to be logically sound, I mean, it's religion.
(January 6, 2013 at 11:38 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Response: Men are allowed to marry any female, as long as she has reached puberty and maturity, no matter the age. And since you can name a single harm in consensual marriage with someone who is mature and reached puberty, then your logic is completely invalid.
Uh...puberty =/= maturity.
Also, raping your spouse is still rape, so even if the marriage was consensual, you can still hurt your spouse. Where you got the idea that you can't is beyond me.
Response: No one stated raping your spouse is not rape. So where you got that idea is beyond the both of us.
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 7, 2013 at 1:06 am
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(January 7, 2013 at 12:15 am)Al-Fatihah Wrote: Response: No one stated raping your spouse is not rape. So where you got that idea is beyond the both of us.
Rape is harm.
Al-Fatihah Wrote:Response: Men are allowed to marry any female, as long as she has reached puberty and maturity, no matter the age. And since you can name a single harm in consensual marriage with someone who is mature and reached puberty, then your logic is completely invalid. Ironically, I did name a single harm (I assume that you made a typo).
Regardless, I could name tons of harms that could occur in a marriage. Just because the marriage was consensual doesn't mean someone can't harm their spouse. There are plenty of ways someone could be harmed by their spouse, not just rape. The above quote suggests you are arguing that if a marriage is consensual, then one cannot be harmed in it. It also seems to suggest that puberty = maturity, when it does not. If you would like to defend of disown either of these claims, please do so.
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 7, 2013 at 1:09 am
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Plenty of ways indeed, like "tapping" on them so that they "change their minds". "Bitch wouldn't agree with me, kept nagging and not doing what I told her to, so i just kept tapping her until she did".
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 7, 2013 at 1:12 am
(January 6, 2013 at 11:42 pm)Rhythm Wrote: So definitively, beatings are in, you just can't hit them "too hard". Probably wouldn't fly with my wife, or me. That woman goes to "tapping" me on the head and it's going to go to blows...
And you'd get your ass beat  Your only chance is if Lahni came to your rescue.
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 7, 2013 at 1:14 am
Probably right, my wife's no joke, good thing my daughter would stab a motherfucker, right?
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 7, 2013 at 1:22 am
(January 7, 2013 at 1:14 am)Rhythm Wrote: Probably right, my wife's no joke, good thing my daughter would stab a motherfucker, right?
Damn right. The girl's lucky to have such badass genes running through her. I do believe that the only potential match for her is a younger niece of mine. Doesn't matter what level of beating she takes (got her nose ripped several inches to the side of her face by getting it jammed into machinery after a bump. Didn't whine, bitch, or even audibly cry all the way to the hospital, where she didn't complain as it was righted and hadn't even broken. Too OP, have to nerf Grace... only one example. Bitch is crazy).
But even then, Lahni might have the advantage just through the Irish music >_< I'd pay to see that fight.
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RE: the wife beating verse
January 7, 2013 at 7:09 am
(January 6, 2013 at 11:38 pm)Al-Fatihah Wrote: (January 6, 2013 at 6:42 pm)Waratah Wrote: What is the point of putting in the quran the wife beating part if it does not hurt. Is the wife going to change her ways because you gave a light tap that has no pain? If you say yes it must be a magic light touch because otherwise talking would instead be sufficient. Your excuses are bullshit.
Response: Yes a person can be influenced to change their mind by being tapped, so your rebuttal is full of it. No one can subject themselves to constantly being tapped, nor can you prove otherwise. So your excuses are weak and proves nothing. Trying to move your goalposts. You stated in an earlier post "Thus the hit should not be abusive or painful". If she was constantly being tapped that would be abusive. You fail again. If the beating is not harmful or abusive then what is the point or goal?
Your excuses are bullshit.
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