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Divine Revelation
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RE: Divine Revelation
(January 22, 2013 at 7:35 am)Zen Badger Wrote:
(January 22, 2013 at 1:12 am)Drich Wrote: Being saved Is a statement made from a point in time when one is out of danger. While one is in this life He/she can not ever truly make this claim unless he/she is in an unbreakable relationship with God.

If one breaks said relationship then it places that person outside the realm of savation. Meaning that person was never 'saved.' That said it does not mean that person was never a christian. Unfortunatly calling yourself christian does not mean anything to Christ. Because He tells us on the day those who were 'saved' will be saved He will turn to the 'christians' who were never saved, (despite all the good things they did) and tell them He never knew them. If Christian's can be judged as never truly giving themselves over to God, then how is it you believe their are Atheist who truly given themselves to God?

Again as witnessed by all the good deeds done by these name sake christians only the desire to be a christian weighs little on the Judgement Christ makes.

Why is the creator of an universe vast beyond our wildest imaginings so desperate for our worship?

Because god/s don't exist and they are a mere reflection of our own narcissism as humans. When we are born we cry for the mother's nipple and growing up we need protection. We make up gods as a coping mechanism in a phantom attempt to replace our real human parents.

But that is not the honest answer Drich wants to face so look for another bs excuse.
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#92
RE: Divine Revelation
(January 20, 2013 at 3:06 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: I am thinking that this "Divine Revelation" is nothing more than a mental health issue that needs addressing ...nothing divine about it ...... you are sick, you need help.

You sound like a fundamentalist at an anti-gay rally... careful. This type of argument (I use that word lightly) on either side of almost any issue (except those actually in the medical field dealing with mental illness) is useless.

As far as "losing one's salvation," there are a handlful of theories, certainly not restricted to Mr. Drich, that range from Calvinism to Arminianism. One of the more frustrating things Christians can tend to do is argue their semi obscure doctrine as if it an obvious theological constant. For some reason, many Christians are afraid to admit that the theology of Christianity itself is very much like any other form of theoretical study. You don't look at Philosophy as having one single outlook on all things; if the bible is truly divinely inspired, it is by nature above complete comprehension, and you should welcome a challenge to how you understand it. If the bible cannot withstand the spitballing of an internet forum, it is certainly not worthy of much. However, I believe (even in a completely secular context), that the bible is a fascinatingly worthy text to study, challenge, and learn from.

This being said, for the sake of argument, I'll present another take on salvation.

John 10:29 NIV
"My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand."

There is a popular theology that acknowledges once someone is "saved" by biblical standards, they are permanently saved. No matter what happens afterward, they do not become "un-saved."
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