Proof That the Bible Isn't the Word of God

[catfish]

Not in a literal sense. As a parable, yeah...
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I think you meant to say "allegory", because how are two sentences which don't form a story a parable?

Ummm, context? There is more to what he taught that just that line. He was the bread of life too... Allegory works though and I could actually believe that single line in a "literal" sense if "through me" was(or meant) "through my teachings". Although it would be hard to literally go "through" his teachings, but I think you understand, right?

From a college proffesor to his students:
No one comes to graduation except through me...
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[FallentoReason]

I think you meant to say "allegory", because how are two sentences which don't form a story a parable?

Ummm, context? There is more to what he taught that just that line. He was the bread of life too... Allegory works though and I could actually believe that single line in a "literal" sense if "through me" was(or meant) "through my teachings". Although it would be hard to literally go "through" his teachings, but I think you understand, right?

From a college proffesor to his students:
No one comes to graduation except through me...
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Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. Since he didn't specify though, how do you know he meant "through my teachings" as opposed to "through belief in me"? That's why I brought up this verse because I always thought it was related to the whole "belief in me -> eternal life" thing.

[catfish]

Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. Since he didn't specify though, how do you know he meant "through my teachings" as opposed to "through belief in me"? That's why I brought up this verse because I always thought it was related to the whole "belief in me -> eternal life" thing.

But elsewhere in scriptures, it says "belief in his name". Yeshua's name does have a literal meaning in Hebrew. (YHWH is salvation)
Scripture also reiterates that YHWH is salvation numerous times.
There's even a single verse that says "God our Savior and Jesus Christ our Lord"
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Which of course kinda contradicts this:

Luke 10:25-28 King James Version (KJV)

25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

[pocaracas]

Where's that? The Matrix?
Think about this, the universe is most likely binary...
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It's at work... The matrix?... LOL

The Universe as a binary thing?.... It's either on or off?

[catfish]

Where's that? The Matrix?
Think about this, the universe is most likely binary...
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It's at work... The matrix?... LOL

The Universe as a binary thing?.... It's either on or off?

Kinda, but at a much smaller scale.
We have identified more than 2 types of quarks, so it would have to be smaller than that.
Basically energy, like bits in silicon. Positive or negative at the smallest level as the structure of the smallest building blocks of matter.
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Fuck, I just realised something... I'm not supposed to know anything anything about physics. Ignore what I said, carry on...
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[pocaracas]

It's at work... The matrix?... LOL

The Universe as a binary thing?.... It's either on or off?

Kinda, but at a much smaller scale.
We have identified more than 2 types of quarks, so it would have to be smaller than that.
Basically energy, like bits in silicon. Positive or negative at the smallest level as the structure of the smallest building blocks of matter.
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Fuck, I just realised something... I'm not supposed to know anything anything about physics. Ignore what I said, carry on...
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You're not supposed to know about physics?... What are you supposed to know, then?

[ronedee]

LOL! It's funny how we play! God is supposed to fit in our own little box of toys...and IF he won't? He doesn't exist.

Michael the archangel (while tossing Lucifer into the pit) exclaimed, "Who is like God?"

The angels were God's first experiment (if you will?)... we see how that turned out.

They were either His robot, or wanted what was His....How are we any different?

Well for one, we live by Faith, or as in most cases in this forum, w/o Faith. The men in scripture of the [old testament] were actually "supermen of faith". That is why God revealed Himself to them. Was it all planned? Yes, and no! Each of those men were given a choice. Each of those men failed at something in their time. The reason is that we HAVE FREE WILL!

God works inspite of our nature. We try to aspire to His Son Jesus who taught us the true way to live. It's not about Religion, Christianity, or any dumb quotes you can weasle out of the scriptures, or a Christians mouth.... Its about WHAT'S RIGHT!

That's all God wants from us. To do what is morally right, in a world that is headed in the wrong direction. There are "self-evident" things in this world that point to what [is] right...and we ALL know them in our hearts.

What we get for our being Christ-like and God-like in our Faith and Love for Him and each other...is to ultimately be like Him! And inherit His kingdom. But that choice is ours...because we wanted it that way from the beginning!

We wanted to be like God w/o any entitlements. It's like your children trying to take everything you have before you are even dead! So He said, "Ok kids...you want to be on your own? Go try it!" But, as fathers do, He loved us, and wants to give us everything He has. But we need to show Faith and Love in Him...and YES with no proof except what is self-evident...and RIGHT!

Does that mean doing ritualistic backflips and animal sacrafice according to some religion? No! But it may mean shutting your traps about things you really "don't know" anything about! Like God, and His Son, and His plan. You are willing to believe in theory that is NOT self-proving...yet God being: "all good and all love" isn't a good bet!

And really..."Who is like God?" And who are we to say this isn't His purpose no matter how far-fetched it may seem to you? After all...[a] God is [a] God...if at least you believe the word and premise!

Actually it all makes perfect sense to me! I have FAITH? I get EVERYTHING!

So.... lets be glad, and thankful that God gave us, and you atheists a free will. Otherwise you would be a robot taking orders instead of hanging out here having fun bitching about us and Him!

[catfish]

The angels were God's first experiment (if you will?)... we see how that turned out.

They were either His robot, or wanted what was His....How are we any different?

I had always wondered how a robot (like you said) could rebel, and even after one supposedly did rebel, needed God's permission to do anything?
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[Ryantology]

They were either His robot, or wanted what was His....How are we any different?

Robots can't help being mindless slaves. You choose to be one. There's no other difference.

[Esquilax]

That's all God wants from us. To do what is morally right, in a world that is headed in the wrong direction. There are "self-evident" things in this world that point to what [is] right...and we ALL know them in our hearts.

I like the world I live in the way it is, thank you.

We wanted to be like God w/o any entitlements. It's like your children trying to take everything you have before you are even dead! So He said, "Ok kids...you want to be on your own? Go try it!" But, as fathers do, He loved us, and wants to give us everything He has. But we need to show Faith and Love in Him...and YES with no proof except what is self-evident...and RIGHT!

Crucially... it's not self evident. I know you think it's blindingly obvious, but not all of us stood in line for the kool aid, sir.

Does that mean doing ritualistic backflips and animal sacrafice according to some religion? No!

Why not? Your god was pretty clear on all that once upon a time.

But it may mean shutting your traps about things you really "don't know" anything about! Like God, and His Son, and His plan. You are willing to believe in theory that is NOT self-proving...yet God being: "all good and all love" isn't a good bet!

No. Science and the human spirit of inquiry are the most powerful weapons we as a species have, and if god didn't want us to use them he shouldn't have given them to us (according to your logic.) I'm not just going to sit quietly because the things I have to say make you uncomfortable, or because you disagree with them.

Also, if we can prove a theory over and over again (I'm sort of guessing we're going to the old standard of evolution here, but science works this way for all theories really) then what else would you call it, if not self-evident? At the very least, we have more evidence for all of the established cornerstone theories of science than we do for god.

But we go where the evidence leads, of course. We just have more stringent standards of evidence than you.

And really..."Who is like God?" And who are we to say this isn't His purpose no matter how far-fetched it may seem to you? After all...[a] God is [a] God...if at least you believe the word and premise!

Debase yourself before your god, don't expect me to do likewise.

Actually it all makes perfect sense to me! I have FAITH? I get EVERYTHING!

Or literally the exact opposite. Funny how that works.

So.... lets be glad, and thankful that God gave us, and you atheists a free will. Otherwise you would be a robot taking orders instead of hanging out here having fun bitching about us and Him!

Demonstrate him first, please. Don't just assume. Because from my perspective, I have nobody to be thankful to.