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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 3, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Just get a girl to sing it, or a boy who hasnt reached puberty yet, no need to be chopping balls off or whatever they do
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 3, 2013 at 9:39 pm
How can this castration for the sake of music be ethical? I do not give a fuck if a thirteen year old consents to it, they're not an adult yet
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 3, 2013 at 9:57 pm
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(February 3, 2013 at 9:34 pm)paulpablo Wrote: Just get a girl to sing it, or a boy who hasnt reached puberty yet, no need to be chopping balls off or whatever they do
They can't really match the castrato sound. If they could, the practice wouldn't have been so popular. They have physiological differences that make their sound different than women's.
This is how popular it was:
Quote:In the 1720s and 1730s, at the height of the craze for these voices, it has been estimated that upwards of 4,000 boys were castrated annually in the service of art.[11] Many came from poor homes and were castrated by their parents in the hope that their child might be successful and lift them from poverty (this was the case with Senesino). There are, though, records of some young boys asking to be operated on to preserve their voices (e.g. Caffarelli, who was from a wealthy family: his grandmother gave him the income from two vineyards to pay for his studies[12]).
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castrato#section_1
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 3, 2013 at 10:49 pm
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hell no. treating human like fucking stereo systems is not moral!
"dammit boy sing better!"
"i`m trying father"
"then we are gonna have to cut some things out"
yeah real moral
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 3, 2013 at 11:11 pm
Well, we actually let kids make choices all the time. We let them pick out their toys, hobbies, sports etc. What exactly makes this choice fundamentally different?
If you say it's because they lose their sexual reproductive capabilities then I can think of other choices kids make that have permanent consequences.
For instance, if a kid wants to be a professional painter when they grow up, they'd spend a large amount of time studying art and doing painting. Once they grow up however maybe they changed their mind and want to be a world professional tennis player instead. But it's too late for that because the necessary opportunity to be a world professional tennis champ has already past. They would have needed to start learning tennis as a kid and then made up their way through years of practice and competition. At best they could just be a really good local player if they started as an adult.
So here you have a choice made at a young age with irreparable consequences.
How is this different than cutting your balls off?
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 3, 2013 at 11:53 pm
Other permanent consequences to a kid's life usually don't require a knife and dismembered body parts.
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 3, 2013 at 11:55 pm
(February 3, 2013 at 11:53 pm)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote: Other permanent consequences to a kid's life usually don't require a knife and dismembered body parts.
And?
Therefore?
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 4, 2013 at 12:02 am
(February 3, 2013 at 8:34 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Haven't there been sex change operations though done to children? Why are they able to choose that but not this? Indeed there have, and in my opinion doing so is totally unethical. Look at David Reimer, for instance. Miriam, from "Something about Miriam" did not have sex reassignment surgery, but took hormones through "her" teenage years, and look where that led ... pornography, shitty reality TV, more pornography, prostitution.
With that said, there are plenty of people with medical conditions that don't allow them to pass puberty who live very happy and fulfilling lives. And so they should.
But should you allow someone who would normally go through puberty to be castrated in order to preserve their singing voice? Well that's certainly one way to determine their career choice for them early on. I think the biggest difference between now and the 18th century (/19th century) is that there is a lot more career choice, and being able to be an opera singer isn't as great an ability as it may have once been because there are plenty more career choices still available. But yeah, I can see how in the 17th/18th centuries it was desirable and an advantage.
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 4, 2013 at 12:04 am
(February 3, 2013 at 11:55 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: (February 3, 2013 at 11:53 pm)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote: Other permanent consequences to a kid's life usually don't require a knife and dismembered body parts.
And?
Therefore?
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RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
February 4, 2013 at 12:07 am
(February 4, 2013 at 12:04 am)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote: (February 3, 2013 at 11:55 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: And?
Therefore?
This thread is shit.
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