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Is castrating young boys ethical?
#31
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
Wait, there is a question of the morality of this practice? Um, I'm going to have to go with no. Also, nice work with the fresh topic in this stale, dead bitch! (Don't hurt me. I love this bitch.)
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#32
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
(February 4, 2013 at 12:42 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:
(February 4, 2013 at 12:33 am)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote: Confused Fall

So far:

1. TEGH questions your assumptions.
2. But Confused Fall
3. Therefore TEGH is wrong.

This is the new emoticon logic. Alert the textbook writers!

You're right. Maybe parents should allow their kids to cut of a leg so kids improve their chances to become top-class wheelchair tennisplayers if that's what a kid realllly wants to be.
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#33
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
(February 4, 2013 at 12:49 am)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote:
(February 4, 2013 at 12:42 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: So far:

1. TEGH questions your assumptions.
2. But Confused Fall
3. Therefore TEGH is wrong.

This is the new emoticon logic. Alert the textbook writers!

You're right. Maybe parents should allow their kids to cut of a leg so kids improve their chances to become top-class wheelchair tennisplayers if that's what a kid realllly wants to be.

Now you're committing the appeal to consequences fallacy.

And to shake things up I'm going to say that's a great idea! Bring out the saw and morpheme!


What now?
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#34
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
DeeDee, TEGH is clearly playing devil's advocate. Big Grin

Aractus, I find myself agreeing with you, which is a rarity, so bravo. Poor Reimer's entire life was fucked because of what his parents and psychiatrist decided to do in response to a bad circumcision. I do not believe that children should be allowed to have a body changing surgery that is not for medical reasons. One might argue that there are psychological reasons for it, but a child can live as their gender until they can have proper surgery to correct nature's mistake. My reasons for this are many and include the inherent risks with any surgery where you have to go under. I also think a person needs to make that decision without the input of his or her parents. I would neither discourage it or encourage it in my stepson, so as not to influence the decision. Nonetheless, I would not be party to putting him under the knife for cosmetic purposes during his childhood. Besides, I would prefer him not use his sex organs until he is an adult anyway.
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#35
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
(February 4, 2013 at 12:34 am)Aractus Wrote:
(February 4, 2013 at 12:21 am)TaraJo Wrote: Yes, it can happen and it's rare but it's getting a bit more common. Kim Petras has made news as the youngest person to undergo sex reassignment surgery at 16, but there's a big difference between a 'sex change' and preservation of a singing voice.
Wrong. Reimer was 22 months old when he underwent sex reassignment surgery. Worse still, it was under the recommendation of a trumped-up psychologist, John Money, and not a psychiatrist/physician. Money counted this case as a success, Reimer blew his head off with a sawn-off shotgun at age 38. Fair to say he disagreed with Money....

You are correct, sir...... sort of. He had his testies removed at a young age, but no surgery past that. I think the most importat difference between David Reimer and Kim Petras was consent: David was too young to give consent and, obviously didn't want this, but Kim did.

Quote:It's one thing to allow them to live as the other gender, it's another to give them hormones or surgery.

Surgery, yes, that's not exactly reversable. Hormones are a totally different story.

First off, our bodies are gonna get some kind of hormone one way or another. I mean, if you don't start some kind of hormone, a male body is going to wind up being filled with testosterone which can result with many other problems later on. Hormone blockers without estrogen, at very least, can be an option for a while. Even estrogen itself isn't going to kick in right away. Give that to a young child and they probably won't notice any effect for at least 2 or 3 months. Even up to about six months, everything from estrogen will reverse itself if you simply stop taking estrogen.

This doesn't even mention how much easier it can make the rest of our lives if we get into hormones before male puberty makes changes to our body that cant' be reversed. I mean, do you have any idea how difficult it is for me to find women's shoes in size 11? The world also isn't exactly filled with women's clothes for a woman who's 5'10.
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#36
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
(February 4, 2013 at 12:53 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What now?

Find some talented, young singers and start a choir?
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#37
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
(February 4, 2013 at 12:56 am)TaraJo Wrote: The world also isn't exactly filled with women's clothes for a woman who's 5'10.

I'm taller than you are and I can find clothes. Thinking I'll point you in the right direction. Big Grin
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#38
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
(February 4, 2013 at 12:59 am)Dee Dee Ramone Wrote:
(February 4, 2013 at 12:53 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: What now?

Find some talented, young singers and start a choir?

It takes balls to do that.
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#39
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
Tara I'm more than happy to discuss those things in your thread where they're on-topic! Big Grin Don't think I'm ignoring you.

TEGH - in the 16th/17th/18th centuries the situation was very different to what it is now. High poverty rates meant that castration could be seen as a good thing since the alternative may be children starving to death. I imagine that most castratos led fulfilling lives and enjoyed the status and success it brought them. In this day and age though it's not going to bring you status, and your success is determined more on other factors than being able to hit the highest note. It was a product of its era.
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#40
RE: Is castrating young boys ethical?
(February 4, 2013 at 12:56 am)Shell B Wrote: DeeDee, TEGH is clearly playing devil's advocate. Big Grin

Hmm, sort of but not really. I'm truly undecided on the ethical nature of the practice.

I usually attack assertions and unfounded assumptions whenever I see them come up no matter how unseemly it might make me look. Does that mean I necessarily actually am advocating the thing the other person is against? No, I think not.
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