Is castrating young boys ethical?

[Dee Dee Ramone]

This thread is shit.

Awwww. Did I uncover an unsupported assumption? Boohoo.

Did I uncover a sociopath? Boohoo.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

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But should you allow someone who would normally go through puberty to be castrated in order to preserve their singing voice? Well that's certainly one way to determine their career choice for them early on. I think the biggest difference between now and the 18th century (/19th century) is that there is a lot more career choice, and being able to be an opera singer isn't as great an ability as it may have once been because there are plenty more career choices still available. But yeah, I can see how in the 17th/18th centuries it was desirable and an advantage.

True. But it'd be like the historical musicology equivalent of cloning a mammoth or a Neanderthal.

And I think it would however give them a significant advantage within their own field.

[Aractus]

That being said both my boys were circumcised (by a mohel, nonetheless), which some would equate to castration, the anti-circumcision crowd can be quite militant.

Interestingly enough (as a non-circumcised male), I find it abhorrent that there are adults who were circumcised as children who come out and complain that they were castrated. There are advantages/health benefits to it. Higher STI resistance (proven for HIV) is just one of them. Lower chance of infection in that area is another. Parents have the choice to make, and so too do they have the choice to vaccinate their children or not. I know people that chose not to vaccinate, one is an atheist and all her children got the measles. Her reasons were insane, she literally believed that vaccination doesn't prevent children getting diseases! With that said, if she had said to me that her reasons were that vaccinations are developed too quickly and not properly tested to be safe - IF those were her reasons - then I could have understood and sympathise with, because that's a very real fear that I have. Vaccinations have killed, so that fear is rational. I'd still vaccinate though (unless there were extraneous circumstances).

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Awwww. Did I uncover an unsupported assumption? Boohoo.

Did I uncover a sociopath? Boohoo.

So you have to resort to ad homonim attacks? Calling me a sociopath doesn't defeat my argument.

[TaraJo]

Haven't there been sex change operations though done to children? Why are they able to choose that but not this?

Yes, it can happen and it's rare but it's getting a bit more common. Kim Petras has made news as the youngest person to undergo sex reassignment surgery at 16, but there's a big difference between a 'sex change' and preservation of a singing voice. Probably the reason it's looked down on so much, from a medical perspective, is because the human body needs some kind of hormones to prevent osteoporosis. If you're transitioning, you just replace one hormone with another, but if you want to just be a boy without testosterone and you don't want to replace it with estrogen, your bones are going to get weak and brittle. We simply didn't know about the condition back then or the role hormones played in it. Now that we do, it can be more easily avoided.

If so, they are also unethical.

Children can't consent to such procedures.

I beg to differ. Big time. I've watched videos of parents describing their trans children's struggles and it's scary. I mean, if you have a child who is literally talking about suicide at 8 years old, and they're seriously thinking about it because that's how much they hate their gender, I don't want to be the one to tell them no.

[Dee Dee Ramone]

Did I uncover a sociopath? Boohoo.

So you have to resort to ad homonim attacks? Calling me a sociopath doesn't defeat my argument.

You don't have an argument, because the comparison between cutting balls (and permanently destroying sexual reproduction/sex life) and letting kids choosing a hobby (influencing opportunties) is faulty.

In life we make choices, even kids. Removing testicles is not a kid's choice, it's mutilation.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

So you have to resort to ad homonim attacks? Calling me a sociopath doesn't defeat my argument.

You don't have an argument, because the comparison between cutting balls (and permanently destroying sexual reproduction/sex life) and letting kids choosing a hobby (influencing opportunties) is faulty.

In life we make choices, even kids. Removing testicles is not a kid's choice, it's mutilation.

Wait, so little bobby choosing painting is an actual choice but castration isn't a real choice? What is it? The result of mind control?


And "multilation" according to what?

[Dee Dee Ramone]

You don't have an argument, because the comparison between cutting balls (and permanently destroying sexual reproduction/sex life) and letting kids choosing a hobby (influencing opportunties) is faulty.

In life we make choices, even kids. Removing testicles is not a kid's choice, it's mutilation.

Wait, so little bobby choosing painting is an actual choice but castration isn't a real choice? What is it? The result of mind control?
And "multilation" according to what?

[Aractus]

Yes, it can happen and it's rare but it's getting a bit more common. Kim Petras has made news as the youngest person to undergo sex reassignment surgery at 16, but there's a big difference between a 'sex change' and preservation of a singing voice.

Wrong. Reimer was 22 months old when he underwent sex reassignment surgery. Worse still, it was under the recommendation of a trumped-up psychologist, John Money, and not a psychiatrist/physician. Money counted this case as a success, Reimer blew his head off with a sawn-off shotgun at age 38. Fair to say he disagreed with Money....

I beg to differ. Big time. I've watched videos of parents describing their trans children's struggles and it's scary. I mean, if you have a child who is literally talking about suicide at 8 years old, and they're seriously thinking about it because that's how much they hate their gender, I don't want to be the one to tell them no.

It's one thing to allow them to live as the other gender, it's another to give them hormones or surgery.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Wait, so little bobby choosing painting is an actual choice but castration isn't a real choice? What is it? The result of mind control?
And "multilation" according to what?

So far:

1. TEGH questions your assumptions.
2. But
3. Therefore TEGH is wrong.

This is the new emoticon logic. Alert the textbook writers!