Before Christianity... before Judaism..

[WinterHold]

At its core, the Tanakh is an account of the Israelites' relationship with God from their earliest history until the building of the Second Temple (c. 535 BCE). Abraham is hailed as the first Hebrew and the father of the Jewish people. As a reward for his act of faith in one God, he was promised that Isaac, his second son, would inherit the Land of Israel (then called Canaan). Later, Jacob and his children were enslaved in Egypt, and God commanded Moses to lead the Exodus from Egypt.

The earliest civilization on earth is really unknown so we can't actually know what happened during the time of abraham.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Hohle_Fels

For some reason & for many similarities between this ancient artifact & many other ones discovered later, this might be a proof that people did worship something back in the past. The idea of religion is just not that new. Which also makes the theory of Judaism & its relatives valid.

[Minimalist]

There is no more evidence for "abraham" than there is for "moses," "jesus," "mohammed," or the "man in the moon."

You don't get to define one fictional character by piously referring to another.

[Brian37]

There is no more evidence for "abraham" than there is for "moses," "jesus," "mohammed," or the "man in the moon."

You don't get to define one fictional character by piously referring to another.

And it still misses the point that a work of fiction, say Peter Pan, the original book mentions London, does not mean little boys can fly or fairies exist.

So even if tomorrow we discovered the bones of Jesus(common name back then but besides the point) it still would not make magic babies or zombie gods true.

"Mohammed existed" I get that from Muslims of course, but all that means is a guy started a cult and convinced others that he had a cosmic bat phone to Allah. It still would not make Allah real.

We can prove that George Washington existed but no sane person would claim he could fart a Lamborghini out of his ass.

[Minimalist]

But the myths about Washington are more subtle.

"I never told a lie." Horseshit. He was a military commander. He lied to everybody.

"He threw a silver dollar across the Potomac." There were no silver dollars when Washington was growing up and further his boyhood home was on the Rappahannock not the Potomac.

[Brian37]

But the myths about Washington are more subtle.

"I never told a lie." Horseshit. He was a military commander. He lied to everybody.

"He threw a silver dollar across the Potomac." There were no silver dollars when Washington was growing up and further his boyhood home was on the Rappahannock not the Potomac.

Yea but the point is humans take real people and real places and stick them into their legends and myths to over conflate reality and delude themselves into ignoring realities like what you mention.

It is the same horseshit which was sold far too long in public schools about the "settlers", sounds placed, but the truth was that the west was invaded and the Natives were driven off their land and murdered for it.

It is why while I value Thomas Jefferson's ideas for example, he still was a human being and took part in the very inhuman and vile practice of slavery.

Ultimately humans should not be worshiped, they are never all good or all bad and they certainly do not need to be elevated to mythological pedestal status.

Reality is quite ordinary and mundane, but humans throughout our history in every culture far too often are not satisfied with mundane reality and have to sex up events by turning them into magical events and gloss over any bad that might have lead to the legend itself.

Naked assertions get peppered with real events and real people and get turned into legends and even cults that go onto become organized religions. Politics too can be elevated into a utopia because of such ignorance.

[Minimalist]

People make shit up.

Religion is proof of that.

[WinterHold]

There is no more evidence for "abraham" than there is for "moses," "jesus," "mohammed," or the "man in the moon."

You don't get to define one fictional character by piously referring to another.

Actually Mohammed's grave is in Al-Madinah now, next to that his companions, there is also a mass grave for the fallen at the battle of Uhud, the place called "al-baqee".

I have seen those places myself, it's hard to say the Mohammed is a fictional character since his grave does exist, and all the people from his time are also there, with almost a unique known grave for each of them.

You can make sure by trying to attack his grave but the road is full with ..

[Minimalist]

Actually Mohammed's grave is in Al-Madinah now

Yeah...yeah.... and "moses" is on Mt. Nebo and abraham is in the Cave of the Patriarchs and jesus has several tombs.....

Do you really believe every fucking thing you are told?

I've got this bridge in Brooklyn you may want to buy.



It's a very nice bridge....I can let you have it for a song.

[LastPoet]

Actually that bridge is mine, Min just has power of attorney to sell it. We share the profit 50-50

[catfish]

There is no more evidence for "abraham" than there is for "moses," "jesus," "mohammed," or the "man in the moon."

You don't get to define one fictional character by piously referring to another.

Actually Mohammed's grave is in Al-Madinah now, next to that his companions, there is also a mass grave for the fallen at the battle of Uhud, the place called "al-baqee".

I have seen those places myself, it's hard to say the Mohammed is a fictional character since his grave does exist, and all the people from his time are also there, with almost a unique known grave for each of them.

You can make sure by trying to attack his grave but the road is full with ..

Are you suggesting that those people turned a grave site into an idol?
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