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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 14, 2013 at 1:40 pm
I don't have any reason to doubt that he's a Christian.
He seems to be a typical liberal Christian to me.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 14, 2013 at 6:39 pm
I think he is a puppet.
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 14, 2013 at 6:41 pm
No reason why he wouldn't be Christian.
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 14, 2013 at 6:52 pm
(February 13, 2013 at 11:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I doubt Obama is an atheist, after all he was involved with the Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago for quite a long time.
Religion is a political prop in this country.
Remember Abe Lincoln.
Quote:Oh, that [his Thanksgiving Message] is some of Seward's nonsense, and it pleases the fools.
-- Abraham Lincoln, to Judge James M Nelson, in response to a question from Nelson: "I once asked him about his fervent Thanksgiving Message and twitted him with being an unbeliever in what was published." Quoted from Franklin Steiner, The Religious Beliefs of Our Presidents, p. 138
Lincoln despite him attending church with his wife and children, never professed he was a Christian. I believe Barack Obama has professed he is a Christian, I could be wrong although.
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 14, 2013 at 10:31 pm
(February 14, 2013 at 1:34 am)Stue Denim Wrote: Reminds me of something Penn Jillette said:
http://bigthink.com/ideas/41033
All of those who think he's secretly an atheist... it would mean he's therefore a liar (on yet another issue). Either way, you lose. Haha first thing I thought of was that Penn Jillette video when I read the thread.
To answer the question though I think he's an Atheist. Just doesn't want to admit it to the American public so he can keep his hands on some of the votes.
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 15, 2013 at 11:30 am
Obama is a politician first. So is just about everyone who becomes president nowadays. They're going to do whatever it takes to get themselves elected. Notice how religion is such a big deal in elections? Everyone has to pray to Jesus in public and quote the Bible and their churche are scrutinized (Jerimian Wright and the Mormon church, for example). So it's really impossible to know what Obama's beliefs on the superatural really are if his beliefs are outside the mainstream. He could be a secret Muslim and he'd never tell anyone. He could be an atheist and not tell anyone. He could be a scientologist and keeps it secret simply because coming out would be political suicide.
I don't think he's an atheist, though. Faux News has been putting him under extreme scrutiny. If they found any solid information saying Obama is an atheist, they would be letting us know every second of every day in every way they could think of to tell it to us. The only real possibility for that to not be the case would be that they've found evidence that he's an atheist but they're dismissing it simply because they think they can attack him better by constantly calling him a Muslim.
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 15, 2013 at 1:08 pm
(February 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm)Meylis Wrote: Hi Everybody!
Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
Now, I understand this sounds stupid for some since he swore on bible on Inauguration day, goes to church and says he is christian. But his politics says otherwise. Things he does are what most atheists would do like ,for instance, including atheists on first inauguration speech, being pro science/climate change/ abortion/ gay marriage/ investment in basic research just to name the few.
Could he be an atheist that doesn't admit publicly because it would be a political SUICIDE?
no, he is into black liberation theology
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 15, 2013 at 1:17 pm
(February 13, 2013 at 10:01 pm)Meylis Wrote: Hi Everybody!
Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
Now, I understand this sounds stupid for some since he swore on bible on Inauguration day, goes to church and says he is christian. But his politics says otherwise. Things he does are what most atheists would do like ,for instance, including atheists on first inauguration speech, being pro science/climate change/ abortion/ gay marriage/ investment in basic research just to name the few.
Could he be an atheist that doesn't admit publicly because it would be a political SUICIDE?
Well, he might be a moderate Christian. Maybe an Agnostic? We may never know.
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 15, 2013 at 1:18 pm
(This post was last modified: February 15, 2013 at 1:23 pm by Zone.)
Barack Obama is about as Christian as he is a black man (African American whatever). People generally think of him as being that but yet he's also he kind of isn't, not if you really want to be technical about it. He just kind of looks that way so that's what he may as well be, but you know it's not as simple as that. Does he believe in God? Sure. Does he believe in the Holy Trinity? Probably not but no-ones going to grill him over it.
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RE: Could Barack Obama be an Atheist?
February 15, 2013 at 1:46 pm
(February 15, 2013 at 1:18 pm)Zone Wrote: Barack Obama is about as Christian as he is a black man (African American whatever). People generally think of him as being that but yet he's also he kind of isn't, not if you really want to be technical about it. He just kind of looks that way so that's what he may as well be, but you know it's not as simple as that. Does he believe in God? Sure. Does he believe in the Holy Trinity? Probably not but no-ones going to grill him over it.
Because if you're 'only half-black' you're not black, right?
Got to love all of the qualifies, special pleading, and general hilarity around here lately
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