Why hate Athiest?

[jstrodel]

Qualify "bad". Gives you temporary hallucinations? Destroys your health? Carcinogens from smoking? Please, I'm all eyes.

All of those things. It can trigger schizophrenia if you are one of the millions of people that are genetically predisposed. It can cause people to not mature emotionally because they are high so much. It can destroy marriages and families and cause people to lose their jobs. It can cause pretty significant short term memory loss that may go away but if people smoke pot consistently for 10 or 20 years, over the course of their life they are effectively running on much less mental horsepower than they would be.

The thing of it is, when you are talking about drug people, it doesn't even matter what the effects of marijuana are. Drug people just do drugs. They may use marijuana for a few years and that be their drug of choice and then move to alcohol. And later on move on to crack. I have seen a lot of addicts follow some sort of pattern like that. I know a guy named John who got into crack when a dealer sold him crack in his weed.

If you do marijuana, you are starting to build up a lifestyle of drug use. If you get used to being high everyday, it is easy to develop and identity and habit of life in which you see drugs as the center of your life. It is very insidious and powerful and extremely difficult to get out of.

Drugs are dangerous. If you do any drug to get high, especially if you do it everyday, you are opening yourself up to create a lifestyle of chemical dependency, whether you are actually physically addicted to drugs or not.

Most serious marijuana users use other drugs.

Why can't people just accept that has already been settled in the medical community that doing drugs to be intoxicated, be it alcohol, marijuana, cocaine, benzos, paint thinner, whatever it is, is taking an extremely serious risk that will inevitably screw up lots of peoples lives? And out of compassion for people whose lives will be screwed up by drug use, oppose the abuse of drugs, which is taking drugs recreationally solely to be intoxicated (if you binge drink once a month and are not addicted or use cocaine once a month, you are abusing drugs).

[Darkstar]

People that smoke marijuana typically use it every day, the ones who are serious about it. This is not true for everyone, but there are many, many people who form the bulk of the marijuana community who use it 1-6 times a day. Marijuana is a very dangerous drug. Many lives are lost after year after year of daily use. It may not kill many people, but it leads to large numbers of people incapacitated by drug abuse. Many get into other drugs through the community that forms around it.

Can anyone on the forum who uses marijuana and/or knows people who do respond to this? My knowledge of use frequency is lacking.

How do you know that? How do you know you won't be one of the people that have an issue with it? I have dealt with drugs and depression at the same time, it is rough, I used to smoke a bowl everyday pretty much or a few times a day because I was so depressed from taking other drugs.

You weren't using just marijuana. Don't you think the other drugs had more of an impact? If you were talking multiple drugs at once, how do you know what did what?

It is hard to get out of it. Telling people that they are just weak and they need personal responsibility is not a compassionate approach to dealing with addiction. Marijuana is addictive. It is easy to abuse, especially when you already have a miserable life.

I will agree to most of the above except the marijuana part. It is possible to abuse even prescription drugs, but if you take marijuana (without harder drugs) in moderation, you should be fine.
http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/ma...-addictive

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Can anyone on the forum who uses marijuana and/or knows people who do respond to this? My knowledge of use frequency is lacking.

I smoke once a month or once every 2 months.

Before doing pot I used cocain.

So I can safely say that pot actualy brought me down from doing more dangerous stuff, even although I hardly smoke pot anymore.

[jstrodel]

You don't know what does what, you just feel horrible all the time and want more drugs and that is all you think about, whether you actually feel physically addicted to one chemical or not. It doesn't matter what it is.

Drugs are dangerous.

[Darkstar]

The thing of it is, when you are talking about drug people, it doesn't even matter what the effects of marijuana are. Drug people just do drugs. They may use marijuana for a few years and that be their drug of choice and then move to alcohol. And later on move on to crack. I have seen a lot of addicts follow some sort of pattern like that. I know a guy named John who got into crack when a dealer sold him crack in his weed.

If you do marijuana, you are starting to build up a lifestyle of drug use. If you get used to being high everyday, it is easy to develop and identity and habit of life in which you see drugs as the center of your life. It is very insidious and powerful and extremely difficult to get out of.

Gateway drug theory

The gateway theory has been the subject of much criticism. Perhaps most common is the claim that gateway theory proponents commit either the post hoc ergo propter hoc or the cum hoc ergo propter hoc logical fallacies. In the latter case, it is argued, proponents of the gateway theory invalidly infer a causal relationship between two variables (in this case, the relationship between the use of less harmful soft drugs and the use of more dangerous hard drugs) from a relationship between the two variables that is strictly correlational.[19][22][44][45]

Alternative explanations for the correlation between the use of soft drugs (e.g., marijuana) and the use of hard drugs (e.g., cocaine, heroin) include, but are not limited to:
Some individuals are, for whatever reason, willing to try any substance, and the "gateway" drugs are merely the ones that are (usually) available at an earlier age than the harder drugs.[19]
Particularly for cannabis, which is illegal, exposure to the black market (where harder drugs are available) is suggested to be the real cause.[22][45]
For teenagers, credibility of adults is eroded when the dangers of the "gateway" drugs are exaggerated or made up, leading them to think all anti-drug messages are nonsense.[46]
The peer environments in which "gateway" drugs are used can sometimes overlap with the ones in which harder drugs are used, especially in societies that prohibit the substances or impose very high age limits.[46]
Due to the nature of their merchandise, dealers of the harder illicit drugs may be unwilling to reveal themselves to those unfamiliar with the "gateway" drugs.[citation needed]

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Drugs are dangerous.

Does that include prescription drugs?

[thesummerqueen]

Still only hearing from you that drugs are bad, even though the examples you're providing are due to people abusing the drugs rather than using them responsibly.

"Drugs are bad, mmmmkay?"

Gateway shit my ass.

[jstrodel]

Yes, prescription drugs are dangerous. People should take them unless they need them. I have gotten high on Klonopins and Adderall just as much as the other stuff. It is just as bad. It is all bad.

I am not trying to say illegal drugs are worst than legal drugs, I just think if people accept the authority of science they should accept the science/medical community discourages the intentional use of drugs soley to be intoxicated, they consider this drug abuse, not drug abuse is using cocaine more than 3 times a week or something ridiculous like that. They tend to not qualify that discouragement.

[Angrboda]

I love you, bro'

[Silver]

I am wondering how this progressed from hating atheists to D.A.R.E.

[Angrboda]

I am wondering how this progressed from hating atheists to D.A.R.E.

If I read jstrodel correctly, it's because:

Marxism --> atheism --> nihilism and hedonism --> drugs --> hellmouth