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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 23, 2013 at 3:54 am
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(February 22, 2013 at 9:07 pm)Question Mark Wrote: So you're of the opinion that believing a lie that makes you feel good is the best course of action? Despite the detrimental effects it can potentially have on your life and on those around you? lol
Like I said. Using reason I discovered for myself that what is stated is the truth. And the reason to act upon it is the positive effect it has on my life and the knock on positive effect onto anything I come into contact with.
That's the aim of this anyway. Nobody is perfect, and just because you believe it doesn't mean you always manage to live by it. First and foremost we're only human.
It's s great thing, and it does get abused. People abusing it shouldn't be seen as it's proponents.
Bad stuff happens in the name of good stuff all the time. I'm sure you wouldn't want to stop people trying to be good because of that?
Nominom: are you speaking about yourself too? Or do you know how the universe began? Me I listen to what scientists say with great interest, and agree with them. Perhaps you find that your faith prevents you from doing that?
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 23, 2013 at 4:17 am
(February 23, 2013 at 3:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It's s great thing, and it does get abused. People abusing it shouldn't be seen as it's proponents.
Bad stuff happens in the name of good stuff all the time. I'm sure you wouldn't want to stop people trying to be good because of that?
I have problems with this. Are you seriously asking us to disavow the bad things that happen in religion and just focus on the good? Why on earth would we do that?
I wouldn't do that with a daycare for my children, why would I do it for my immortal soul?
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 23, 2013 at 4:29 am
No Esq you got that really badly confused, I'm happy to tell you. Hopefully you'd pick your daycare very carefully (apologies, I thought miss Clucky was much older! :p). What if one of the carers turned out to be a homicidal maniac and your love got hurt? Would you blame your choice, which is shown to have no fault?
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 23, 2013 at 6:26 am
(February 23, 2013 at 3:54 am)fr0d0 Wrote: It's s great thing, and it does get abused. People abusing it shouldn't be seen as it's proponents.
Bad stuff happens in the name of good stuff all the time. I'm sure you wouldn't want to stop people trying to be good because of that?
I contest it being a "good thing". Anything good that can be done does not require a gods permission to do. I'd sooner have people take responsibility for actions that are theirs, and not attribute actions to gods and humans based on how much good those actions do
If you believe it, question it. If you question it, get an answer. If you have an answer, does that answer satisfy reality? Does it satisfy you? Probably not. For no one else will agree with you, not really.
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 23, 2013 at 6:43 am
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Do you do good stuff for no reason QM? If God inspires people to be good why do you have a problem with that? God doesn't demand anything. Good demands that to be good you're good. If you're being bad you're not being good now are you?
I get the feeling I'm talking to some deep rooted prejudice here. Try to look past that. I'm sorry you feel that pain. I hate religion too. We have to try not to throw the baby out with the bath water.
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 24, 2013 at 10:26 am
I do good things because it makes me feel good, and because it means that it's more likely that other people will be nice to me.
I don't have any deep rooted prejudice against religion, I don't know what I could have said to explain why you'd even think that. The primary reason I disagree with doing good because religion tells one to is because of the nature of the authority figure means that anything, right or wrong, can be considered "good" should that figure say so. Persecuting gays, for instance, or regarding women as socially inferior. Or, and this one seems particularly mean; condemning other christians as heretics when they interpret the big book of of multiple choice, otherwise the "bible", in a different way.
If you believe it, question it. If you question it, get an answer. If you have an answer, does that answer satisfy reality? Does it satisfy you? Probably not. For no one else will agree with you, not really.
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 24, 2013 at 10:47 am
I don't do good because religion tells me to. I do good because it makes sense to, and my faith only strengthens that. I guess you and I are on the same page regarding religion. But you keep accusing me of adherence to that which you hate, despite me agreeing with you.
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 24, 2013 at 11:34 am
Please stop saying I hate religion, I never said that, and I have no deep placed emotional wound against it. I just think it's wrong, and that it is needlessly dangerous. If it helps you be good, then that's fine, but there's nothing that can be done or reinforced by religion that can't be done by secular means, and the arbitrary nature of religious dogmas make it potentially dangerous in ways I've already explained.
If you believe it, question it. If you question it, get an answer. If you have an answer, does that answer satisfy reality? Does it satisfy you? Probably not. For no one else will agree with you, not really.
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 24, 2013 at 11:43 am
OK I won't use the hate word. But here again you seem to need to equate my belief with the "needlessly dangerous". This is foreign to my beliefs, but you seem to have no problem assigning this to me.
Yes I disagree that you can be as good as is possible with a positive world view with a neutral world view. This is quite simple to see.
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RE: Why Does God Need A Creator?
February 24, 2013 at 11:55 am
No, it isn't, so you'll have to lay it out.
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