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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
February 20, 2013 at 12:23 pm
(February 18, 2013 at 7:03 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: Quote:what does your appeal to emotion have to do with the truthfulness of God's existence?
Knowing about God’s unique attributes is Not the same thing as knowing Truth. Ideas are NOT truths.
I prefer to live in reality, not "widespread belief".
In all reality, there's no proof for god, but god can still be considered truth without proof, to idiots.
as the world spins out of control, ain't it great being alone?
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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
February 22, 2013 at 2:26 pm
I was by far more alone with god than without. The abandonment got to me. I could certainly have rationalized that into my faith, but why bother? Now I'm not angry at god, the world is what it is no illusionary overtones as excuse, and I still like poptarts.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.
Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.
Quote:Some people deserve hell.
I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
February 22, 2013 at 2:45 pm
@The OP. Strange relative to what....I mean, strange has alot wiggle room doesn't it?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
February 22, 2013 at 3:51 pm
@ the OP. Emigrate to North Korea for a year. After, let us know if you feel the same.
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Re: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
March 5, 2013 at 5:28 am
I don't particularly wish for a god. Maybe it is comforting to others but not to me. If there were a god, he must be incapable or malevolent given how the world is today.
Recently, I heard a story of a local girl near me who has autism. She was drugged and raped by an older man for a few days before wandering home to negligent parents. Sickening. Think of how terrifying it was for that little girl, who already struggles with daily life.
Now tell me, which is more comforting? Knowing it happens because there is no "big man in the sky" to stop it? Or knowing that there is a god but he stands by and watches as she is violated and tortured? And does nothing?
This is why not believing in god, at times, has been a comfort for me.
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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
March 5, 2013 at 7:44 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2013 at 7:47 am by jap23.)
It's not strange that you want God- it provides a lot of joy, guidance and comfort- my faith is often my only comfort in life, BUT If I was convinced not to believe God, I would NOT be able to tolerate the fact that I'm dedicating my life to a LIE! Even though I'd lose almost all my friends and I'd go into my new life alone, depressed, and unable to fit in with people... I'd prefer that rather than to live a lie. My point is, you cannot 'want' God into or out of existence- the truth is out there and it can ONLY be a GOOD thing!
But I can't go without saying: don't judge God by evil, sadistic, 'religious' nuts... study the whole bible like it's science (without presumptions, you'd be surprised to find how many lies have accumulated over the ages...), the whole thing- question everything ,and don't forget to seek the answer!- ask atheists and bible students when you're stuck. I personally have always found the answer after looking around... but that can change; I'm hoping that 'atheist forums' would provide some challenges- but don't ignore what Christians have to say either! With you being an atheist- I recommend you look for Christian apologetic forums...
I'm kinda busy and don't have much time for these forums, so if you respond to this post, don't expect me to reply immediately- but I will try to get back to you sometime.
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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
March 6, 2013 at 4:02 am
While I am of the belief that there is only a 50-50 chance that our universe had a creator/designer, I personally found the most scientifically appealing possibility coming from the ideas of Nikolai Kardashev, the Deputy Director at Russian Space Research Institute. Dr. Kardashev came up with a scale that he called (not surprisingly) the Kardashev Scale, which was meant to classify civilizations. His view of the most advanced type of civilization (Type V) is that said civilization could actually transcend their universe of origin and could actually custom build new universes.
"Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree."
"The Bible: Because all the wonders of science can’t equal the wisdom of cattle sacrificing primitives who thought every animal species in the world lived within walking distance of Noah’s house."
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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
March 25, 2013 at 12:18 pm
(March 5, 2013 at 5:28 am)DrFreud Wrote: I don't particularly wish for a god. Maybe it is comforting to others but not to me. If there were a god, he must be incapable or malevolent given how the world is today.
Recently, I heard a story of a local girl near me who has autism. She was drugged and raped by an older man for a few days before wandering home to negligent parents. Sickening. Think of how terrifying it was for that little girl, who already struggles with daily life.
Now tell me, which is more comforting? Knowing it happens because there is no "big man in the sky" to stop it? Or knowing that there is a god but he stands by and watches as she is violated and tortured? And does nothing?
This is why not believing in god, at times, has been a comfort for me.
and how many other horrible things were happening to other people at the same time?
should God have stopped the autistic girls rape and not the other horrid things happening to others?
why or why not?
how about the horrid things last week, last year, 100 years ago, et al.
why or why not?
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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
March 25, 2013 at 12:21 pm
I wouldn't mind an afterlife of some kind, or a thousand years of youth, but that's a separate idea from there being a God that has just become entwined because of our western civilization.
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RE: Is it strange that I want there to be a God ?
March 25, 2013 at 1:15 pm
I'm getting over wanting there to be a God. No offense to anyone, but I think that the belief that there is a personal God and afterlife, with no evidence to support this claim, is a very childish belief. But it's perfectly fine to want it. I want there to be a huge diamond buried in my front yard. But there almost certainly isn't.
"I trust my own reason and my own capacities to think and educate myself and to reach greater levels of knowlege and status through learning and work. To me, wishing for a god is like wishing to be a slave, it is like declaring that one is too incompetent to handle one's own affairs." - the germans are coming
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