The current changes in the middle east

[Cato]

Atlas,
If at all possible you should leave the area immediately. I know, easier said than done for many reasons.

The fact is that nothing will improve in the Arab world until separation of religion and state is enacted and enforced. Until then, as always, the wealthy and powerful will continue to use religion as a leash for the masses and the massess will submit for fear of god.

[The Grand Nudger]

Amen Chuck. Sit in the tall grass till they show their throats.

[Minimalist]

After the Arab spring, many people had great expectations about the future, including me, we thought that freedom would soon lead the Arab countries into prosperity & civilization ; sadly the opposite scenario was the conclusion of the spring.

I was not one of them. Sadly, giving "democracy" to people who think that "majority rules" means that you get to exterminate your opponents is not likely to have a good outcome.

Too bad fucking Bush didn't think of that before he started running his mouth. But then....thinking ahead was never his strong suit.

[downbeatplumb]

Unfortunately all this thread boils down to is " the middle east...business as usual".

[Anomalocaris]

Amen Chuck. Sit in the tall grass till they show their throats.

And then have the subtlety to manipulate someone else into cutting it for you.

[WinterHold]

You live (as far as I know) in a country in which critics of the regime and activists are assaulted and sometimes even murdered.

This may sound like a cowards advice.

Please do nothing that could get you harmed or even killed.



Other than that: your life, your opinion, your responsibility, and most importent of all - your right and will to express yourself freely.

Egypt is still better than many places ; until now the freedom of speech is kinda alive.





This guy is broadcasting one of my favorite T.V shows, his show is mostly about making fun of the current situation in Egypt ; he insulted the president many times, but nobody did anything to him.
His show is broadcasted from down town Cairo.

But he doesn't discuss religion in details. My problem is that my opinions pose a threat on modern Islamist's faith, something that makes me "an infidel" to them, which might truly get me killed or at least threatened by it..

Atlas,
If at all possible you should leave the area immediately. I know, easier said than done for many reasons.
The fact is that nothing will improve in the Arab world until separation of religion and state is enacted and enforced. Until then, as always, the wealthy and powerful will continue to use religion as a leash for the masses and the massess will submit for fear of god.

It's somehow true.. The main problem is that, people were the ones who voted for the Islamists, this is the main problem in the middle east ; the people themselves might give you a hard time if you spoke about something wrong they're doing.

They're leashing themselves, they had the chance & blew it after the revolution, eventually the went to the same hypocrite lying fucks who lead the Islamic parties. The same fuckers who creeped on the revolution & stole it from the liberal protestors.

The people here are just...Weird.
I think your solution is the best thing to do..

I was not one of them. Sadly, giving "democracy" to people who think that "majority rules" means that you get to exterminate your opponents is not likely to have a good outcome.

Too bad fucking Bush didn't think of that before he started running his mouth. But then....thinking ahead was never his strong suit.

America didn't teach anybody about "real democracy". The Iraq war was the main reason for the Islamic explosion over the area, because simply : Bush taught us stuff like dressing prisoners in black bags & beat the shit out them while naked.

Iraq's war was a strategic operation, it was a threat to the oil supplies in the gulf. Revising the American history, mostly all America's wars were waged for a personal benefit ; democracy was never an objective by itself.

Seeing the Iraqies waving to american forces when they came makes me think : why did they turn into suicide bombing against the same people they invited ? obviously : the new comers didn't come for Iraqies, and the Iraqies knew it.

Meh, to arabs democracy is what happened in Iraq. I don't blame them, that war made everybody muslim or arab, good or bad to hate America's guts & anything related to it (including democracy & Tom Cruise )

[Minimalist]

America didn't teach anybody about "real democracy".

How could we? With Florida in 2000 as an example it is clear we are merely living in a plutokleptocracy ( rule by rich thieves.)

"Democracy" is a slogan. The republicunts are still trying to figure out ways to suppress democratic voters for the benefit of their rich, cocksucking, leash holders.

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Here you go, Atlas. From Today's News.

"Democracy" African-style!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/world/...=5043&_r=0

Every five years or so, this stable and typically peaceful country, an oasis of development in a very poor and turbulent region, suffers a frightening transformation in which age-old grievances get stirred up, ethnically based militias are mobilized and neighbors start killing neighbors. The reason is elections, and another huge one — one of the most important in this country’s history and definitely the most complicated — is barreling this way.

“This election brings out the worst in us,” read a column last week in The Daily Nation, Kenya’s biggest newspaper. “All the tribal prejudice, all ancient grudges and feuds, all real and imagined slights, all dislikes and hatreds, everything is out walking the streets like hordes of thirsty undeads looking for innocents to devour.”

[Confused Ape]

Keep your head down while you have to be there and concentrate on your college course so you get qualifications.