Is belief in God a choice

[fr0d0]

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I don't know how to 'start believing' ...because I'm in the position that it's not a matter of choice, that I need to actually be convinced or not either externally or internally, and it's not some 'preference' that I can just 'choose to' do. Your position on the other hand is that - in respect to the Christian God that you believe in - it is a matter of choice. So the discussion is about these two different views and which is correct. And on my side of the discussion I need you to support that belief is a matter of choice otherwise there's no discussion between our two views. You say then that I first need to 'let it start', but I don't know how untill you support how this is even possible, that is the whole discussion!

So then I ask...do you know of any other way?

EvF

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Who started that damn roundabout again!?!

Do I know of any other way to what? Amarillo?

The whole question in danger of being discussed here Evie, is not how the fuk you can believe in God so you can start discussing it k?? You discuss it even though you don'tbelieve it.

For the last time... do you want to discuss it or not. I answered your direct question, once without you knowing it apparently. Now you answer mine.... Discuss or not?

[Edwardo Piet]

I want to discuss it. But as I have said - how can I discuss if I'm going to be 'watching' as you suggested, isn't that a contradiciton?

EvF

[fr0d0]

"I vanna believe"LMAO

OK - we'll start tomorrow.

Bring yer skull cap k?

[Edwardo Piet]

I guess you didn't have the time in that post, to explain how I can discuss whilst 'watching' (as you suggested!) then?

Skull cap? I don't get it.

EvF

[fr0d0]

Meh - don't work it out - just do it.

Skul cap - symbol of observance worn by Jewish & Muslim boys usually.

[Edwardo Piet]

'just do it' you say! Well to me it seems like a contradiction. Do you honestly expect then, for me to 'watch' and yet simulatenously discuss with you without you supporting your viewpoint? it's a total contradiciton.

I have no idea how the fuck that is possible.

EvF

[fr0d0]

I don't want you to support my viewpoint. I want you to see what I gotta say then call it bullshit.

[Edwardo Piet]

I'm happy to see what you've got to say. I just don't see anything with support on your part.

This is another matter of evidence and faith between us, so lets take this matter between us from this thread to the debate forum where we now do battle

EvF

[Godlesspanther]

Is believing in god a choice? That is a very good question. I have never believed in god. I have actually tried to believe in god. At one time I was a member of a religious cult called Alcoholics Anonymous. Yes, I know even some atheists here are going to jump up and down, foaming at the mouth, with red and bloated faces, and sweat streaming down their faces, screaming their lungs out that AA is neither religious nor a cult. And that AA is so amazingly fucking accepting of atheists you wouldn't believe it -- hallelooya, hot-diggity-dog, and wooby-wooby-wooo!!! I'm used to that so -- go ahead -- yawn.

Anyway -- the dogma of this particular cult (AA) revolves around the idea that those who "cannot or will not completely give themselves to this simple program are usually men and women who are constitutionally incapable of being honest with themselves." The 'simple program' requires a belief in the existence of god. So, after the good old college try... I said goodbye (good riddance) to AA. I had, after hearing all the testimonies of members who were, at one time, an atheist, the 'came to believe in a power greater than themselves' and they choose to call such a power "god."

My conclusion was that such an experience is available to some people and that I, evidently, am one for whom this kind of profound revelation is not going to happen to because of my very nature that is a result of the physical properties of my brain. Some brains are hard-wired to accept such visions as reality and others are not. There are numerous articles that one can look up pertaining to the "god spot" of the human brain. There does seem to be some evidence -- though, as of yet, inconclusive -- that strong belief in the supernatural is the manifestation of a physical properties of the grey stuff that rides inside our skulls.

[Violet]

I like it, though i still think people cannot CHOOSE to believe in it.