Atheists; what do you base your morals on?

[Creed of Heresy]

Just a quick note here. The argumentum ad populum or appeal to consensus is not a fallacy if the validity of the proposition is in fact necessarily dependent on or indicated by the will or opinion of the people (such as is argued here, by atheists). It is only when the will of the people itself does not logically necessitate the validity of the proposition that it is a fallacy.

(example, "The majority of practicing cosmologists subscribe to the big bang theory. Therefore, the big bang theory is the scientific explanation of the nature of the universe's origins." Practicing cosmologists are the relevant scientific community, and the consensus of the scientific community determines what is the accepted scientific theory, therefore, while the appeal is to consensus, it is not fallacious. Whether morals are properly a legitimate subject to be decided by consensus or not is exactly what is at issue, so the cry of "argumentum ad populum fallacy" lacks proper foundation to be made in this matter.)

That's the point I was trying to convey, thank you for putting it much more succinctly.

I tire of my inability to convey my thoughts properly. *grumbles*

Also, mo, you haven't responded to my reply, which, in my humble opinion, so far best addresses [at least in detail anyway] your question.

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No, the fact that Atheists on here such as yourself are using argument from ridicule shows the standard of debate here; very very low. No understanding of logical argumentation, just fallacy after fallacy.

I can judge Min's posts and apply it to the forum in general because Min. has apparently been voted "member of the year". That speaks volumes, when an ignoramus like that is held in high regard. Disgusting.

Did I say his opinion is worthless because of his age? No! Stop using a strawman. God, the level of debate is shit here.

Actually...uhm...

Not surprising that some people on here can't reason, we're looking at a very old age group in Min. Intellect isn't sharp at such an age.

That's a very roundabout way of saying "you're stupid because you're old." You ARE making that claim, and that is a roundabout way of dismissing his opinion, since it's quite common for individuals to dismiss the opinion of people they consider to be of inferior intellect. Just because something is not directly said does not mean it is not heavily implied. Trying to play smoke-n-mirrors here isn't going to work, I can see right through such silliness.

Also, if the level of debate is really so bad then how come you haven't completely demolished my position yet? How come you instead seem to be ignoring it for some reason? Is it because you're actually NOT the cream of the debating crop here, and you've been bested by one who is self-admittedly a novice at debates [me]?

See, if you're curious at the outrage being shown to you, it's because you are bringing up propositions that most of us feel is morally vomit-inducing. The idea of killing another human being is abhorrent to us because, I feel, as atheists, we've come to value human life far greater than those of religious individuals do. Reason being that since we no longer find ourselves submitting to an entity that, in claim, values human life as nothing more than something that is expendable and worthless without worship directed towards said entity. Instead we find ourselves valuing life for what it is; finite, and therefore precious. So when you so casually suggest killing someone for a crime that didn't even involve someone else being killed, to us, you are spewing bile and positively detestable and loathsome ideas. It would be the equivalent of me coming into a mosque and taking a huge, wet dump all over every single quran, then having the gall to demand to know why everyone is suddenly so offended and insulting.

In fact, muslims do this quite often. Anytime anything is just said, via spoken word or written word, about the "prophet muhammed" or allah in the negative, there are suddenly THRONGS of muslims screaming for the violent deaths of those who said it. So to put it bluntly: Quit being butthurt.

[iameatingjam]

I dont have morals, since the only way to have morals is if an invisible man threatens you to burn in hell forever if you disobey him. My hobbies include stealing, raping and murder.

Typical.

Stupid answer to a stupid question.

Where do atheists get their morals?... Where do theists get their morals? They definitely don't get their morals from the bible, if they did they should be in jail. Slavery, sexism, murder etc. Due to the fact that most religious people don't believe in child sacrifice I'd have to say there process of obtaining morals is no different than that of an atheist. religion has nothing to do with it... And If you have to be scared of burning in hell to do what is right then what you really have is a lack of morals.

[Neo-Scholastic]

If you have to be scared of burning in hell to do what is right then what you really have is a lack of morals.

I cannot think of a single Christian I know who strives for a moral life, purely to avoid Hell. Most practicing believers consider it a privilege to let God's goodness work through us.

[Minimalist]

I'm mesmerised by your debating skills (!)

I don't give a shit what you are mesmerized by. Let's see...your 'god' talked to some old pervert while he was sleeping in a cave, huh? Quite a story. And you spend your life groveling to it.

Min is just one of those people who thinks of a woman being stoned to death and gets emotional about it. Perhaps that's not typical of Min's responses in general.

Nah...I really just don't like towel-heads. But I think most xtians are fucking assholes, too.

[ideologue08]

I'm mesmerised by your debating skills (!)

I don't give a shit what you are mesmerized by. Let's see...your 'god' talked to some old pervert while he was sleeping in a cave, huh? Quite a story. And you spend your life groveling to it.

Min is just one of those people who thinks of a woman being stoned to death and gets emotional about it. Perhaps that's not typical of Min's responses in general.

Nah...I really just don't like towel-heads. But I think most xtians are fucking assholes, too.

What a bored vile human being you are. What kind of shitty life have you been leading to get up to this disgraceful position of being unable to engage in a debate to any reasonable level. You can avoid civilized debates all you want, you haven't got long left anyway.

[Minimalist]

Blow me, asshole.

[iameatingjam]

If you have to be scared of burning in hell to do what is right then what you really have is a lack of morals.

I cannot think of a single Christian I know who strives for a moral life, purely to avoid Hell. Most practicing believers consider it a privilege to let God's goodness work through us.

Yes thats true, but that's not what I meant to imply. The point I was trying to make was that : If Christians don't get their morals from the bible (which I sure hope they don't) then where exactly do they get them from that would be any different from where an atheist gets theirs?

[catfish]

Yes thats true, but that's not what I meant to imply. The point I was trying to make was that : If Christians don't get their morals from the bible (which I sure hope they don't) then where exactly do they get them from that would be any different from where an atheist gets theirs?

The Bible says you get them from God (theists and non)...
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[ideologue08]

Blow me, asshole.

Vile, as usual.

[Something completely different]

Blow me, asshole.

Vile, as usual.

You are a vile liar mo66, so you dont deserve anything better