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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 9:55 am
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(March 11, 2013 at 9:28 am)John V Wrote: (March 8, 2013 at 9:16 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Does God the Father have any moral responsibility to his children? I’d say yes, but note that Biblically, only believers are his children.
Just to be certain that I understand this...
...are the children that God gave to Hindu, Muslim, and Christian homes all of his children, or just the Christian ones? 
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 10:15 am
(March 11, 2013 at 9:55 am)EGross Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 9:28 am)John V Wrote: I’d say yes, but note that Biblically, only believers are his children.
Just to be certain that I understand this...
...are the children that God gave to Hindu, Muslim, and Christian homes all of his children, or just the Christian ones? Believers are children. Homes they were raised in doesn't matter.
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 10:47 am
(March 11, 2013 at 10:15 am)John V Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 9:55 am)EGross Wrote: Just to be certain that I understand this...
...are the children that God gave to Hindu, Muslim, and Christian homes all of his children, or just the Christian ones? Believers are children. Homes they were raised in doesn't matter.
Aw man, why you gotta set up the pins like that, knocking them down now just isn't a challenge at all. 
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 11:00 am
(March 11, 2013 at 10:47 am)Esquilax Wrote: Aw man, why you gotta set up the pins like that, knocking them down now just isn't a challenge at all. So cut the chatter and knock them down.
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 11:24 am
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John V Wrote:I’d say yes, but note that Biblically, only believers are his children.
I guess that explains why God treats infants and small children with exceptional brutality. They're not old enough to believe, and therefore be his children. So, fuck 'em.
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm
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What I meant is that "God's children are those who believe in him", but Christianity holds that if you belive in him in a wrong way, you are damned, and if God put you there in the first place (say in a Hindu home), and you grow up as a believing Hindu, then to Christian theology you are damned, and according to such logic...
...is that God believing Hindu God's child who will go to heaven? (Based on Christian theology)
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 1:07 pm
(March 11, 2013 at 12:59 pm)EGross Wrote: What I meant is that "God's children are those who believe in him", but Christianity holds that if you belive in him in a wrong way, you are damned, and if God put you there in the first place (say in a Hindu home), and you grow up as a believing Hindu, then to Christian theology you are damned, and according to such logic...
...is that God believing Hindu God's child who will go to heaven? (Based on Christian theology) Are you talking to me? Addressing your posts in some way is helpful.
Christianity holds you are damned already due to your sins. If you then believe on God, you are saved. No one knows God perfectly, so there is some amount of error in any belief. God decides what is sufficient. Considering Biblical example, I would say that most muslims' belief is insufficient, and they remain damned.
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 1:20 pm
Obviously, if you are damning Muslims, you are including Hindus too. Probably all non-Christians. Maybe even a few "not real Christian" sects.
In short we are not all "God's Children" from your dogma. Just those who are part of the club.
Not a big deal. In Judaism, you don't get a share in the World to Come either.
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 11, 2013 at 1:49 pm
(March 11, 2013 at 1:20 pm)EGross Wrote: In short we are not all "God's Children" from your dogma. Just those who are part of the club. Uh, yeah, that's what I said several posts ago. It's OP that implies that all are god's children. Maybe you're responding to OP? Again, addressing your posts would be helpful.
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RE: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man?
March 12, 2013 at 11:22 am
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(March 11, 2013 at 9:28 am)John V Wrote: (March 8, 2013 at 9:16 am)Greatest I am Wrote: Should God the Father adore man for teaching him better morals and ethics than what he has taught man? Loaded question – you haven’t demonstrated that man has taught god better morals and ethics.
Quote:Does God the Father have any moral responsibility to his children?
I’d say yes, but note that Biblically, only believers are his children.
Quote:I think so. God the Father’s first responsibility to his children is to insure that they live.
John 11
25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
Quote:The fact that God the Father punishes or rewards us seems to indicate that he at least thinks that he has some moral responsibility to his children. If not, he could not morally retain the right to punish or reward. Quote:You need to support this argument. It’s not a given that right to punish or reward a person is contingent on responsibilities toward that person. If someone breaks assaults me or my family, I’ll punish him if possible. Doesn’t mean I have to support him thereafter.
[quote]Create a place for eternal bliss on earth and heaven as well as a place for eternal suffering or death. Then he creates beings that he loves dearly and watches over. And in the end, decide which to consider "trash" and "throw away" into the place for eternal suffering or death and which to cling to and love in the place of eternal bliss. Even man, with all his faults, is greater and more responsible, moral and ethical to his children than God the Father is to his.
Again, Biblically, they’re not all his children. Jesus called opponents children of Satan. By your logic Satan should be taking care of them.
Satan has been taken of quite well. God never imposed the sentence dogma said he gave, sending him to hell, and in fact rewarded him with dominion over the earth and the ability to deceive all of us. I should be so blessed.
On your punishing reference. I was speaking of punishment and reward for our or God's children. Not criminals. That is self-defence in the name of those you love and is another topic.
Parents usually punish to change attitudes and actions as a show of love and responsibility so that the child will have a better life. If they did not feel that responsibility they would not care and punishment would have nothing motivating it. Except perhaps just plain meanness.
Hence I say that God shows some sense of responsibility or he would not bother.
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(March 11, 2013 at 1:49 pm)John V Wrote: [quote='EGross' pid='412949' dateline='1363022404']
In short we are not all "God's Children" from your dogma. Just those who are part of the club. Uh, yeah, that's what I said several posts ago. It's OP that implies that all are god's children. Maybe you're responding to OP? Again, addressing your posts would be helpful.
I was just following their dogma.
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
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