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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 11, 2013 at 8:36 pm
Why ask what is the atheists position on everything? Atheists have their own individual views on the death penalty and abortion, not lead by what 'our religion' teaches us is right or wrong. By bringing China into it and what is more common there is a problem in itself. It's more to do with culture than religion.
I personally do not think any court system is always going to get it right as they haven't in the past.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm
(March 11, 2013 at 8:19 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 7:57 pm)catfish Wrote: You will do anything except admit the truth, huh?
. What species is your hair???
LOL?
Please look up the definition of species.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 11, 2013 at 10:46 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2013 at 10:47 pm by WithoutShame.)
Death penalty is silly. Two wrongs don't make a right. Not a passionate issue of mine though.
Abortion? Each day you wait to get an abortion- the more questionable you are. If you wanna abort- do it as soon as you can. First trimester or you suck. Roe v. Wade shouldn't be overturned. It would be a mistake. Prohibition of abortion is much like prohibition of alcohol or today's prohibition of marijuana. Absurdist. Depends on circumstances too. A case by case basis. In cases of potential death of mother, abortion should always be available. In cases of rape- I believe the same. Rape can put an undeserved child upon the unwanting "mother".
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 11, 2013 at 10:47 pm
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(March 11, 2013 at 7:57 pm)catfish Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 10:37 am)genkaus Wrote: The same species as your hair.
You will do anything except admit the truth, huh?
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How is this not admitting the truth? Genetically, both the baby and your hair belong to the same species.
(March 11, 2013 at 8:57 pm)catfish Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 8:19 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: What species is your hair???
LOL?
Please look up the definition of species.
You do realize that there is no universally agreed upon definition for the word, right? Any definition you put up would be ambiguous enough to include or exclude some things that don't want included or excluded.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 11, 2013 at 10:58 pm
(This post was last modified: March 11, 2013 at 11:01 pm by catfish.)
(March 11, 2013 at 12:18 pm)mo66 Wrote: No; my question was why can't the death penalty be a punishment? The answer is of course it can be a punishment. There is no reason why a country cannot execute murderers as a punishment for what they have done.
I can't see how the death penalty can be a punishment as the one that needs the punishment cannot experience the punishment. Cutting off body parts is a punishment, executing someone is just a preemptive measure. (or revenge)
(March 11, 2013 at 10:47 pm)genkaus Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 7:57 pm)catfish Wrote: You will do anything except admit the truth, huh?
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How is this not admitting the truth? Genetically, both the baby and your hair belong to the same species.
My hair has my genes, the baby has it's own. Why is that so hard to concede?
I thought you were having difficulty calling a fetus a human. Is my perception correct?
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 11, 2013 at 11:32 pm
(March 11, 2013 at 10:58 pm)catfish Wrote: My hair has my genes, the baby has it's own. Why is that so hard to concede?
Its not. You are genetically human and thus your hair and your baby are genetically human as well.
(March 11, 2013 at 10:58 pm)catfish Wrote: I thought you were having difficulty calling a fetus a human. Is my perception correct?
Its not. I have no difficulty in saying that it is genetically human, as is your hair.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 11, 2013 at 11:56 pm
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(March 11, 2013 at 11:32 pm)genkaus Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 10:58 pm)catfish Wrote: My hair has my genes, the baby has it's own. Why is that so hard to concede?
Its not. You are genetically human and thus your hair and your baby are genetically human as well. Nice try, but a hair can't grow a baby like a baby can grow a hair.
And what do ya know? A baby's hair has it's own genetics and not the genetics of either parent.
(March 11, 2013 at 11:32 pm)genkaus Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 10:58 pm)catfish Wrote: I thought you were having difficulty calling a fetus a human. Is my perception correct?
Its not. I have no difficulty in saying that it is genetically human, as is your hair.
Why use the qualifier "genetically"??? Is a fetus an individual human or not?
Now that I think of it, what would your moral stance be on this?
"Do you morally object to a person who plucks grey or brown hair because it would imply that one color was better than another?"
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 12:10 am
(March 11, 2013 at 11:56 pm)catfish Wrote: Nice try, but a hair can't grow a baby like a baby can grow a hair.
It can if you clone it.
(March 11, 2013 at 11:56 pm)catfish Wrote: And what do ya know? A baby's hair has it's own genetics and not the genetics of either parent.
Same species, though.
(March 11, 2013 at 11:56 pm)catfish Wrote: Why use the qualifier "genetically"???
Because someone here brought up the genetic definition of human. Unlike that person, I don't want to equivocate between two concepts.
(March 11, 2013 at 11:56 pm)catfish Wrote: Is a fetus an individual human or not?
No.
(March 11, 2013 at 11:56 pm)catfish Wrote: Now that I think of it, what would your moral stance be on this?
"Do you morally object to a person who plucks grey or brown hair because it would imply that one color was better than another?"
Nope.
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 12:12 am
(March 12, 2013 at 12:10 am)genkaus Wrote: (March 11, 2013 at 11:56 pm)catfish Wrote: Is a fetus an individual human or not?
No.
What is it then?
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RE: Atheists, the death penalty and abortion...
March 12, 2013 at 12:13 am
(March 12, 2013 at 12:12 am)catfish Wrote: (March 12, 2013 at 12:10 am)genkaus Wrote: No.
What is it then?
Its a fetus.
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